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[leftCoast1963]

[quote author=forgop link=topic=33497.msg143031#msg143031 date=1430851313]
How do you know he doesn't have something on hand and just ISO more to flip? 

I know several people that buy items from garage sales , Goodwill, etc and resell on ebay, my wife included. Who is she taking advantage of? 


[/quote]Look at his feedback comments and you will see that he is basically a seller of lots of different things. He has sold some cigars in the past but mostly other goods.

As for how do I know he doesn't have them in his possesion? Seriously? Why would he be here looking for more boxes when he claims to have 2 now? These are not the kind of sticks you could expect to sell a lot of so I doubt very much he would be looking for more now when he is trying to unload the 2 he supposedly has in his possesion, but I admit you could be right, as unlikely as that seems.

[forgop]

[quote author=Taps86 link=topic=33497.msg143035#msg143035 date=1430851708]
Arguing with Duane is like slamming your dick in a car door. He always likes to play the antagonist.
[/quote]
Because in your world, someone is taking advantage of someone else and you're the moral compass to apply it where you see fit.

Although you still have yet to elaborate who got taken advantage of here.

[leftCoast1963]

[quote author=forgop link=topic=33497.msg143038#msg143038 date=1430852152]
Because in your world, someone is taking advantage of someone else and you're the moral compass to apply it where you see fit.

<B>Although you still have yet to elaborate who got taken advantage of here. </B>
[/quote]As have you failed to elaborate on a couple of my points :horse:

[forgop]

[quote author=leftCoast1963 link=topic=33497.msg143037#msg143037 date=1430851894]
Look at his feedback comments and you will see that he is basically a seller of lots of different things. He has sold some cigars in the past but mostly other goods.

As for how do I know he doesn't have them in his possesion? Seriously? Why would he be here looking for more boxes when he claims to have 2 now? These are not the kind of sticks you could expect to sell a lot of so I doubt very much he would be looking for more now when he is trying to unload the 2 he supposedly has in his possesion, but I admit you could be right, as unlikely as that seems.
[/quote]
I didn't look at his feedback, but if he's trying to sell items he doesn't actually have and is unable to ship, odds are his feedback will catch up with him for having to refund or taking forever to ship.

[forgop]

[quote author=leftCoast1963 link=topic=33497.msg143040#msg143040 date=1430852267]
As have you failed to elaborate on a couple of my points :horse:
[/quote]
I'm not the one arguing that someone is being taken advantage of. It's called free will. We choose to exercise it with anything we buy, sell, or trade and everything else we do.  Same applies to the scenarios you described. 

[leftCoast1963]

[quote author=forgop link=topic=33497.msg143041#msg143041 date=1430852362]
I didn't look at his feedback, but if he's trying to sell items he doesn't actually have and is unable to ship, odds are his feedback will catch up with him for having to refund or taking forever to ship.
[/quote]Agreed, and that is why it is important for guys like Taps to let members know when they see this sort of thing. It was a warning and that is how I took it. I then used the information Taps offered to look into this guy a bit myself and came to the same conclusion as several have.
Trying to protect members here is something to be appreciative of. Taking advantage of members here in any way... that is what we should all be on gaurd against and to speak up as Taps does when needed. He is trying to protect you too and certainly new members can use this type of information so they don't get taken on the very first transaction they do here.

[WadeFillingame]

[quote author=Taps86 link=topic=33497.msg143039#msg143039 date=1430852238]
Posting an ISO for items on here to go and flip somewhere else? Not sure how you can't see this.

I guess the reason this site was created is getting to be lost amongst members.
[/quote]

Taps, Danny created OLH in '98 or so because CF did not allow prices to be posted in the Trading Room (it may have pre-dated the trading room, I don't remember that far back).   That was it's earliest earliest conception before I owned it, (I've owned it since 2000) the rules here did not allow for commenting on prices.  On of my first memories of this site in it's old-old (second I think) format was DannyM castigating someone for a pricing comment and reminding them that "This is not CF".  Back in those days Opus were not sold west of the Mississippi, prices on the gray market for all Opus were usually 2x to 3x MSRP.

My no longer applicable rule 7 covered it here until the changes a few yrs ago after the TL mess.  

You are free to call someone out for things in here, I think it's good for the community to discuss what is going on, but while this place may have been created for CF'rs to work around the CF Trading Room rules, like it or not, the reality is that what people are doing is a part of what this site was about from the earliest days.  

[forgop]

I don't need anyone to protect me when it comes to cigar PRICES.  I feel like we should protect from scammers/thieves/frauds and make others aware of this. 

However, we're all adults (or should be anyway) of legal age to contract in any transaction for goods and services. I'm free to research prices of said items, whether it's an MSRP or price available from a retailer.  Coming here and saying someone is "gouging/flipping" by listing for a "high" price is something you do on your own free will as apparently you've decided the price paid is less than or equal to the value you perceive it to be to you.  If you aren't mentally capable of doing your homework, then "overpaying" for a box of cigars is the least of your financial burdens in life. 

JMO

If someone wants to not sell to a  flipper, I'm fine with that. Just don't make it sound as though anyone here is under any sort of duress to sell at a price that someone else can flip or pay more than it can be found elsewhere.

[leftCoast1963]

[quote author=forgop link=topic=33497.msg143048#msg143048 date=1430854160]
I don't need anyone to protect me when it comes to cigar PRICES.  I feel like we should protect from scammers/thieves/frauds and make others aware of this. 

However, we're all adults (or should be anyway) of legal age to contract in any transaction for goods and services. I'm free to research prices of said items, whether it's an MSRP or price available from a retailer.  Coming here and saying someone is "gouging/flipping" by listing for a "high" price is something you do on your own free will as apparently you've decided the price paid is less than or equal to the value you perceive it to be to you.  If you aren't mentally capable of doing your homework, then "overpaying" for a box of cigars is the least of your financial burdens in life. 

JMO

If someone wants to not sell to a  flipper, I'm fine with that. Just don't make it sound as though anyone here is under any sort of duress to sell at a price that someone else can flip or pay more than it can be found elsewhere.
[/quote]So you are good with the flippers, and people like Taps who try to let others know of possible over charges or scams should quiet down a bit? Does that about cover it?

I'm all for free enterprise but if you don't see any logic in some of the things already said to you regarding value added, middling, etc.? Then we are talking in circles and will resolve nothing through more discussion. I don't agree that because you can find a sucker that it is OK to take advantage of them, do you? Protecting peoples' RIGHT to take advantage of others while asking for limits on attempts to prevent this from happening is in my opinion non defensible.

I guess because of your wifes experience you see things differently, but then I suspect your wife is not trying to flip $500 or $600 boxes of cigars either.

At this level of buying, when purchasing on the internet where we are all mostly strangers... I will take all the advice and help I can get to not get ripped off, and I am appreciative of peoples efforts here to that end.

[Hollywood79]

Just report the items on eBay, after they get enough reports they won't be able to sell there


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