The facts as I see them....

[sigsauer]

ok...a couple of points I want to make here:

1) I am not involved in any scheme or plot with Ryan or TL.

2) Ryan is not involved in any scheme or plot here either...

3) I bought about $1850.00 worth of cigars from TL.
If anyone wants to see a screen capture of my purchases
I believe there is some way to export PayPal info from PayPal.....worst case I can use snag-it and save it as a .jpeg. The majority of payments made to TL were through PayPal; only 2 of them went through amazon payments.

4) Why would I not think that they are real?
I smoked some that he sold me ...I really liked them...they look, smell, feel and taste like cuban cigars to me....my palate cannot be that off.....

5) I really like these cigars.....I am not sending them back for a refund....I believe they are high quality cigars that I will continue to smoke until they are all gone.

6) I made some comments about Ninja and Moki saying that basically they are not experts. I did not mean this in a bad way...but IMO taste is very subjective and there is too much bias regarding this topic right now.
I have bought some cigars from Ninja in the past. Was every single cigar drop dead good...no that would be impossible IMO...the ones that were good were damn good though.

7) The CF comments I made ..I think alot of people feel the way I do.....they just don't want the hassle of the CF police nor the harassment. Lets be honest CF is full of elitists. There is pretentiousness there that is overwhelming at times. Have I made friends there....sure.....are they life long friends......some are yes....most are not. In the end it really is a Cigar Page and thats it.

8] TL has always been very kind and generous to me. I have never heard a bad word in any of his emails. If anything I am the one who went overboard with the
family guy threads. Family guy I apologized for my rudeness...BUT I will never like you and "fuck you" comes to mind when I read your bullshit here.

9) as far as me praising TL...yes I did that due to the fact that he was very kind to me. He was a true gentleman in every single email. I was not shillling for TL...we are all adults here....if the adults here want to buy TL's cigars...they can buy them....because we are all adults......if you think that I am somehow part of some master plan you are wrong...dead wrong.

10) I think its sad that people that praised TL in his traders comments are now bashing him down. I think its sad that on ICC I hear they are bashing both Ryan and myself.
I find it interesting that some people went and smoked TL's cigars...then bought more because they liked them so much.....now these people are in the mob. I don't get it...did their palates all the sudden realize that their fake cuban filter was turned off?
Weird.....for the record I have brought many of TL's cigars out and shared them with friends. These people spent almost 6 years living in Leiden and smoking nothing but weed and cuban cigars. They loved them. Hell I just bought another cohiba 5 pack just last week.

I think that is it....time for the shitstorm !

[purosdave]

The question of the day is will/would you buy more? 

[sigsauer]

the answer of the day is if I need more I will buy more.

[Ryan]

lol!  :) 

[MoeCizlak]

[quote author=sigsauer link=topic=9293.msg51141#msg51141 date=1304645224]



5) I really like these cigars.....I am not sending them back for a refund....I believe they are high quality cigars that I will continue to smoke until they are all gone.




[/quote]

I don't think the controversy is over whether they are good cigars or not.  It's over whether they what TL has represented them to be. 

[Ryan]

1st...here's what bitches do:

[05-05, 19:32] Cakebread:  i deleted it 
[05-05, 19:32] Cakebread:  it was in poor taste 
[05-05, 19:32] chenvt:  "I think its sad that on ICC I hear they are bashing both Ryan and myself." 
[05-05, 19:32] STARDOGG:  wtf 
[05-05, 19:32] Cakebread:  rearry? 
[05-05, 19:32] Cakebread:  where is that? 
[05-05, 19:32] [b]chenvt:  Hey I sold him seomthing so I gotta stay on the good end for a bit  [/b]
[05-05, 19:33] Cakebread:  did you ship it yet? 
[05-05, 19:33] [b]chenvt:  but if I weren't, I'd post "I think it's sad that you suck a guy's dick on a forum when everyone finds it obnoxious" 
[/b] [05-05, 19:33] chenvt:  yeah 
[05-05, 19:33] STARDOGG:  LOL 
[05-05, 19:33] chenvt:  but I don't want any bullshit like "this is fake, blah blah" 
[05-05, 19:33] chenvt:  you know how spiteful he gets 
[05-05, 19:34] chenvt:  that's evidenced by the way he reacts to FG 
[05-05, 19:34] STARDOGG:  true 
[05-05, 19:34] STARDOGG:  understandable 
[05-05, 19:34] chenvt:  "I find it sad that you can get DP with a fake Monte GR and Cohiba 66 AT THE SAME TIME and then criticize people who are laughing at you for it" 
[05-05, 19:34] kydsid:  personally wondering if or what the cigars are is not the question anymore 
[05-05, 19:35] kydsid:  the question is who TL is period,until the is found the cigars don't matter 
[05-05, 19:35] Cakebread:  you aren't a leaky tampon Dan? 
[05-05, 19:35] chenvt:  "Let this be a warning.. If you're gonna use hte dancing banana, be prepared to get it up the ass too" 
[05-05, 19:35] chenvt:  No, I'm full on menopause 
[05-05, 19:35] STARDOGG:  JD needs to trace ip em 
[05-05, 19:36] chenvt:  EABODB 
[05-05, 19:36] chenvt:  Eat A Bag Of Dancing Bananas 
[05-05, 19:37] chenvt:  He put that on McGoo's post on purpose to annoy him 
[05-05, 19:37] chenvt:  Where's your fucking bananas now? 
[05-05, 19:37] chenvt:  You like bananas? Do you? You just got pwned.. how do you like dem bananas? 
[05-05, 19:37] chenvt:  ok ok I'm done 
[05-05, 19:37] chenvt:  this is fun 

[Ryan]

And StarDogg....who I bombed w/ 2 VSG ER's he couldn't obtain, a '54 Upmann Belvedere, and other shit....nice guy just yesterday...now here's what this punk bitch worthless fuck has to say (sorry for the lack of class here):

done 
[05-05, 19:37] chenvt:  this is fun 
[05-05, 19:37] STARDOGG:  rofl 
[05-05, 19:38] STARDOGG:  ryans reply in sigs thread..sigh 
[05-05, 19:38] STARDOGG:  weak. 
[05-05, 19:38] chenvt:  The more important question is whether or not you two are done with the dancing banana congo line endorsements 
[05-05, 19:40] STARDOGG:  guess its humorous to em 
[05-05, 19:40] chenvt:  I don't hear no laughing now 

[sigsauer]

I don't think the controversy is over whether they are good cigars or not.  It's over whether they what TL has represented them to be.

seems more like the focus is on finding out TL's identity?

[sigsauer]

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[Ryan]

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