CC's Questions from a new member

[creekwalker]

Greetings,
I've heard that there are a few years where the quality of CC's took a downturn and that the current offerings are very good.  If this is the case, what years would you avoid?

Also, being new to CC's, what are the few everyone should try and be familiar with in order to build a foundation of knowledge and experience.

Thanks

[TheGiver]

You have broad questions with no real specific answers.

Monte #2 is a basic benchmark. 2010 or older
Let your budget and taste guide you from there.
My personal fav for today, is a PSP2.

--TG

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Greetings,
I've heard that there are a few years where the quality of CC's took a downturn and that the current offerings are very good.  If this is the case, what years would you avoid?

Also, being new to CC's, what are the few everyone should try and be familiar with in order to build a foundation of knowledge and experience.

Thanks
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[LP9]

I really got my CC experiance with partagas serie D number 4. You can't go wrong with a Monte #2 like said before! I also like the HDM EPIE 2.  Good luck with your adventures into a huge world with many choices. Fivers will be your friend.

[Seamus]

Its different for everyone. Here's my suggestions.

Cohiba robusto and any Siglo
Monte #2
Partagas Short and Lusitania
H.  Upmann Mag 46
HdM Epicure 2
Bolivar Royal Corona
Por Larranaga PC
ERDM Choix Supreme

Think thats a good starting point but its based on my preference.

[creekwalker]

Thanks everyone, this is helpful.

[Lastroll]

I believe the poor production years you're referring to were from 1999 - 2001 based on a lot of discussion at CA.

As for CC's, A couple of my favorites are RASS and Monty Petite Edmundo.

[Carp69]

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Greetings,
I've heard that there are a few years where the quality of CC's took a downturn and that the current offerings are very good.  If this is the case, what years would you avoid?

Also, being new to CC's, what are the few everyone should try and be familiar with in order to build a foundation of knowledge and experience.

Thanks
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Thanks for being brave. I too am a noob to the CC world. You just asked a question I've been wanting to for a while. Lol. Thanks all for any and all help.

[mcgoospot]

Quick history of Cuban cigars from someone who has been through it for the past 17 years.

Cigars from 1995 and before: these are pre cigar-boom when Cuba had tons of raw materials, criollo wrapper (extremely fine wrapper leaf which was tremendous!!!).  Have never had a bad cigar from this era and they have aged tremendously.  Very costly to buy these today.

1996-1998: Cigar-boom has started to catch up with production.  Cuba no longer using criolo leaf for wrappers due to blue mold epidemic.  Cuba experiments with many wrapper leafs.  Cuba doubles export of cigars EACH year to meet demand brough about by increased popularity of cigars.  Good quality cigars but not near the quality of 1995 and before.

1999-mid 2001: Cuba cannot meet the demand for cigars yet continues to mass produce to meet demand.  Cuba's export of cigars goes from 50,000,000 in 1995 to 250,000,000 in 1999/2000 years.  As a result uncured tobacco and inexperienced rollers cause a tremendous drop in the quality of cigars.  Many thin guaged cigars are plugged.  Cigars are very harsh when young.  Known as the "bad years".

mid 2001-mid 2003: Cuba catches up.  Demand falls (boom ended), inexperienced rollers now have more experience.  Able to again use aged tobacco.  Experiment with wrapper leaf has ended with a nice wrapper leaf being used.  IMHO these are the best cigars rolled since 1995.

Mid 2003- present: starting in mid 2003 Cuba started doing something to their tobacco to make the cigars more enjoyable when fresh.  Prior to this EVERY box of Cuban cigars went through a "sick period" where the cigars reeked of ammonia.  This was the natural curing process resulting from the moisture used to roll the cigars resulting in an accelerated fermentation and an ammonia smell. This sick period generally arose sometime within the first year of production and lasted anywhere from 6 months to a year.
    Starting in mid 2003, cigars have no longer gone through this sick period (they sometimes go flat for a short period but I have not had a single box of Cuban cigars have this ammonia smell since August of 2003 and I have bought thousands of boxes since then). Some people believe that Cuba now "cooks" their tobacco to make it more enjoyable when young or Right of the Truck (ROTT).  Whatever they did the cigars have become much better when young.  There is concern, however, that what is being done has effected the ability of these cigars to improve with age. Many collectors from the Far east believe that the post July2003 cigars will not age as well as their predecessors.
My experience confirms this belief.  Many cigars I have smoked from 2004-2005 have become flat.

Recent prduction cigars are rolled better and smoke great young.  We will see how they age.

[creekwalker]

Mcgoospot,
Thanks for the great history of recent CC production.  This is interesting and will help many of us. 
Jack

[Dave]

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Mcgoospot,
Thanks for the great history of recent CC production.  This is interesting and will help many of us. 
Jack
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+1!!!!!  TY