[quote author=CanuckSARTech link=topic=42662.msg173533#msg173533 date=1503327605]
And I love how some of you get your backs up waaaaaay too much.
I'm seriously asking two main questions - about provenance and about custom/duties/gov't hassles. And the instant gut reaction of some is to troll and carry on like "fuck you prick", "get out of the sandbox", "you don't like it, then get lost", etc.
It's not about me liking it or not liking it - I'm very much undecided. It's about me asking about more info, so I can make a more informed choice for myself, to get more opinions about the actual subject, and to have a bit of a conversation.
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Probably about the same concerns that would apply to a Canadian posting multiple for sale threads on a forum that, for the most part, is inhabited by people from the US.
Especially considering you advertise in your for sale thread that you will be smuggling the cigars a US resident buys across the border to then ship to the buyer. Unless I missed something and Canadians can now carry prohibited items across the border?????
[i]'Regarding shipping out, [b]I do a day-trip to Michigan generally every Thursday. One day a week. So, any purchases would be shipped out (to the U.S.) every Thursday, unless I scooted over earlier (in other words, don’t expect me to drop them in the mail on the day-of necessarily[/b], especially if you pay on a Friday or Saturday. Just an FYI on that, in all fairness.) Canadian packages would be shipped out next business day after payment received.'[/i]
As for provenance.... I can answer by expanding on what I already said.... I have seen the procedure. I have been with him when talking to many of the sources and realized pretty quickly that there is a long history built up with many of them. Even a friendship. So I know of no issue with provenance.
Hope that helps.
Ninja's "Group Buy Cuban Customs"...
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hp123
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Re: Ninja's "Group Buy Cuban Customs"...
Anyone who starts useless battle zone threads gets added to my never deal with list. Congrats! 🎉
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SRQCigarman
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Re: Re: Ninja's "Group Buy Cuban Customs"...
[quote author=CanuckSARTech link=topic=42662.msg173532#msg173532 date=1503327165]
No, I get that crap. We see it all the time.
And the post from SRQCigarman getting through with 500 -
I mean, is that a fluke???
We can get through with up to that amount, and it just depends 50/50 sometimes on if you get nailed for customs/duties fees when you claim it.
But, I mean, the nature of posting on here and other places, doing it specifically as a side-business, with the pre-advancing of so much cash and funds...
I'm just wondering how concerning it is about too many hands dealing with the cigars, and fear of gov't repercussions (in both countries).
[/quote]I declared in the US and paid duties, no biggie. Cuba is a bigger deal as the customs limits. I probably won't get as many this trip in November because I don't want to deal with Cuba customs.
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No, I get that crap. We see it all the time.
And the post from SRQCigarman getting through with 500 -
I mean, is that a fluke???
We can get through with up to that amount, and it just depends 50/50 sometimes on if you get nailed for customs/duties fees when you claim it.
But, I mean, the nature of posting on here and other places, doing it specifically as a side-business, with the pre-advancing of so much cash and funds...
I'm just wondering how concerning it is about too many hands dealing with the cigars, and fear of gov't repercussions (in both countries).
[/quote]I declared in the US and paid duties, no biggie. Cuba is a bigger deal as the customs limits. I probably won't get as many this trip in November because I don't want to deal with Cuba customs.
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mbflash80
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Re: Ninja's "Group Buy Cuban Customs"...
[quote author=CanuckSARTech link=topic=42662.msg173533#msg173533 date=1503327605]
It's about me asking about more info, so I can make a more informed choice for myself, to get more opinions about the actual subject, and to have a bit of a conversation.
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Yet your initial post was anything but about "a bit of conversation"...it was a slag on the way Dallas does things...looks to me like what you wanted was to start a shit...and when it turned on you because you are clearly uninformed you now make it to be some big exploratory mission you were on...next time try something like "Hey guys, any feedback on Ninja's groupbuys? Thanks - Canuckafuck"
It's about me asking about more info, so I can make a more informed choice for myself, to get more opinions about the actual subject, and to have a bit of a conversation.
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Yet your initial post was anything but about "a bit of conversation"...it was a slag on the way Dallas does things...looks to me like what you wanted was to start a shit...and when it turned on you because you are clearly uninformed you now make it to be some big exploratory mission you were on...next time try something like "Hey guys, any feedback on Ninja's groupbuys? Thanks - Canuckafuck"
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aes8
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Re: Ninja's "Group Buy Cuban Customs"...
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CanuckSARTech
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Re: Ninja's "Group Buy Cuban Customs"...
[quote author=Todd link=topic=42662.msg173535#msg173535 date=1503329772]
Probably about the same concerns that would apply to a Canadian posting multiple for sale threads on a forum that, for the most part, is inhabited by people from the US.
Especially considering you advertise in your for sale thread that you will be smuggling the cigars a US resident buys across the border to then ship to the buyer. Unless I missed something and Canadians can now carry prohibited items across the border?????
[i]'Regarding shipping out, [b]I do a day-trip to Michigan generally every Thursday. One day a week. So, any purchases would be shipped out (to the U.S.) every Thursday, unless I scooted over earlier (in other words, don’t expect me to drop them in the mail on the day-of necessarily[/b], especially if you pay on a Friday or Saturday. Just an FYI on that, in all fairness.) Canadian packages would be shipped out next business day after payment received.'[/i]
As for provenance.... I can answer by expanding on what I already said.... I have seen the procedure. I have been with him when talking to many of the sources and realized pretty quickly that there is a long history built up with many of them. Even a friendship. So I know of no issue with provenance.
Hope that helps.
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Regarding your first, it's not generally been an issue for Canadians to cross your borders with cigars. And your guys' limits were 50 before, and are 100 sticks now. It's not a prohibited item.
But I'm looking at this wondering how many 100's or thousands of sticks, at a time, on a group buy. That raises more red flags than a 25-stick bundle or two.
Regarding the second part about provenance, that helps. I'm just cautious on that. I've seen people get screwed because of too many hands, too many heads at the trough helping out in the deal. It's not about Cuba's people. But it is their system sometimes that causes people to sometimes scam and steal that which isn't bolted down. So I'd just be worried about what he was told on one trip, to be completely changed and usurped on another, without any notification.
Appreciate the info / vouching though. It helps.
Probably about the same concerns that would apply to a Canadian posting multiple for sale threads on a forum that, for the most part, is inhabited by people from the US.
Especially considering you advertise in your for sale thread that you will be smuggling the cigars a US resident buys across the border to then ship to the buyer. Unless I missed something and Canadians can now carry prohibited items across the border?????
[i]'Regarding shipping out, [b]I do a day-trip to Michigan generally every Thursday. One day a week. So, any purchases would be shipped out (to the U.S.) every Thursday, unless I scooted over earlier (in other words, don’t expect me to drop them in the mail on the day-of necessarily[/b], especially if you pay on a Friday or Saturday. Just an FYI on that, in all fairness.) Canadian packages would be shipped out next business day after payment received.'[/i]
As for provenance.... I can answer by expanding on what I already said.... I have seen the procedure. I have been with him when talking to many of the sources and realized pretty quickly that there is a long history built up with many of them. Even a friendship. So I know of no issue with provenance.
Hope that helps.
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Regarding your first, it's not generally been an issue for Canadians to cross your borders with cigars. And your guys' limits were 50 before, and are 100 sticks now. It's not a prohibited item.
But I'm looking at this wondering how many 100's or thousands of sticks, at a time, on a group buy. That raises more red flags than a 25-stick bundle or two.
Regarding the second part about provenance, that helps. I'm just cautious on that. I've seen people get screwed because of too many hands, too many heads at the trough helping out in the deal. It's not about Cuba's people. But it is their system sometimes that causes people to sometimes scam and steal that which isn't bolted down. So I'd just be worried about what he was told on one trip, to be completely changed and usurped on another, without any notification.
Appreciate the info / vouching though. It helps.
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CanuckSARTech
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Re: Re: Ninja's "Group Buy Cuban Customs"...
[quote author=SRQCigarman link=topic=42662.msg173537#msg173537 date=1503331170]
I declared in the US and paid duties, no biggie. Cuba is a bigger deal as the customs limits. I probably won't get as many this trip in November because I don't want to deal with Cuba customs.
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All noted. Thx.
Yeah, it is a pain leaving. Some friends used to travel with one large hockey bag for luggage, and always had a hassle. LOL. I like multiple smaller checked bags, as it's not as much as a big deal to them there if it's not such a big pile of cigars in one luggage piece!
I declared in the US and paid duties, no biggie. Cuba is a bigger deal as the customs limits. I probably won't get as many this trip in November because I don't want to deal with Cuba customs.
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All noted. Thx.
Yeah, it is a pain leaving. Some friends used to travel with one large hockey bag for luggage, and always had a hassle. LOL. I like multiple smaller checked bags, as it's not as much as a big deal to them there if it's not such a big pile of cigars in one luggage piece!
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CanuckSARTech
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Re: Ninja's "Group Buy Cuban Customs"...
[quote author=mbflash80 link=topic=42662.msg173538#msg173538 date=1503331846]
Yet your initial post was anything but about "a bit of conversation"...it was a slag on the way Dallas does things...looks to me like what you wanted was to start a shit...and when it turned on you because you are clearly uninformed you now make it to be some big exploratory mission you were on...next time try something like "Hey guys, any feedback on Ninja's groupbuys? Thanks - Canuckafuck"
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Granted, so I worded that wrong. I'm not editing that, because that looks worse, IMO. I tried to clarify more what my main concern with all this was in follow up, and I stand corrected on that, and gladly so. My bad for not communicating it better. C'est la vie.
But I do have concerns with it being the 75% down thing. With how cautionary the cigar community can be, I'm just surprised that a business model having people put 75% down works, when you factor in my main two concerns. IE - if he gets shafted on that end on supply, or on this end with a seizure, what recourse do you have for 75% deposit then?
Yet your initial post was anything but about "a bit of conversation"...it was a slag on the way Dallas does things...looks to me like what you wanted was to start a shit...and when it turned on you because you are clearly uninformed you now make it to be some big exploratory mission you were on...next time try something like "Hey guys, any feedback on Ninja's groupbuys? Thanks - Canuckafuck"
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Granted, so I worded that wrong. I'm not editing that, because that looks worse, IMO. I tried to clarify more what my main concern with all this was in follow up, and I stand corrected on that, and gladly so. My bad for not communicating it better. C'est la vie.
But I do have concerns with it being the 75% down thing. With how cautionary the cigar community can be, I'm just surprised that a business model having people put 75% down works, when you factor in my main two concerns. IE - if he gets shafted on that end on supply, or on this end with a seizure, what recourse do you have for 75% deposit then?
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mbflash80
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Re: Ninja's "Group Buy Cuban Customs"...
I would say like most things in life...there are no guarantees that things will go off without a hitch...spend less time worrying about things you have little control over...if you are interested in Dallas' sticks then try a small sampler...spend a hundred bucks and if it works out great...if not you spent a little and lost...you know the drill...
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Fshaw
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Re: Ninja's "Group Buy Cuban Customs"...
[quote author=CanuckSARTech link=topic=42662.msg173542#msg173542 date=1503336298]
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But I do have concerns with it being the 75% down thing. With how cautionary the cigar community can be, I'm just surprised that a business model having people put 75% down works, when you factor in my main two concerns. IE - if he gets shafted on that end on supply, or on this end with a seizure, what recourse do you have for 75% deposit then?
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I think the reason is that this isn't Dallas' first rodeo here, and while there have been issues with timeliness and response rate in the past, as far as I know everyone has always eventually gotten what they wanted or their cash back. He has history here, which helps. Plus the pricing is reasonable and is subsidized by patience on the part of the buyer. If someone doesn't want to deal with the circumstances around each group buy, then they find another route. As you indicate, there are people, such as yourself, who will sell for higher with the trade-off being that they have the sticks in hand and people get the sticks quicker.
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But I do have concerns with it being the 75% down thing. With how cautionary the cigar community can be, I'm just surprised that a business model having people put 75% down works, when you factor in my main two concerns. IE - if he gets shafted on that end on supply, or on this end with a seizure, what recourse do you have for 75% deposit then?
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I think the reason is that this isn't Dallas' first rodeo here, and while there have been issues with timeliness and response rate in the past, as far as I know everyone has always eventually gotten what they wanted or their cash back. He has history here, which helps. Plus the pricing is reasonable and is subsidized by patience on the part of the buyer. If someone doesn't want to deal with the circumstances around each group buy, then they find another route. As you indicate, there are people, such as yourself, who will sell for higher with the trade-off being that they have the sticks in hand and people get the sticks quicker.