I got sold fake Montecristo Sublimes, and was asked by the seller

[mikemets]

[quote author=moki link=topic=11636.msg63137#msg63137 date=1322538278]
I received the cigars today; I took some pictures and made some observations, but no conclusions yet.  Please see the posting here:

[url=http://www.gartrader.com/forums/topic/3497-mikemets-fake-montecristo-sublimes-from-aes8/]http://www.gartrader.com/forums/topic/3497-mikemets-fake-montecristo-sublimes-from-aes8/[/url]

I will add more to it, including my conclusions and opinions, after I have looked at them a bit more, and smoked one of the cigars.
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Will you be able to smoke one these cigars back to back with a known "good one"?  That was the clincher for me.

[moki]

[quote author=mikemets link=topic=11636.msg63174#msg63174 date=1322598028]
Will you be able to smoke one these cigars back to back with a known "good one"?  That was the clincher for me.
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Yep, I can do that.

Where did the "known good" one that you smoked come from?  You can PM me the answer if you don't want to post the source, that's fine.

[Thegreek]

[quote author=moki link=topic=11636.msg63157#msg63157 date=1322590036]
Mike's character is not the issue here (nor is it really germane to the discussion).
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Hence, my post. 

[SeeGars]

[quote author=Thegreek link=topic=11636.msg63155#msg63155 date=1322586479]

You posit that everybody wastes their time on these kind of threads and here you are, contributing just short of nothing buy fruitless attempts at comic relief. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Now THAT is funny, the hypocrisy I mean.

As far as Mike goes, it is my belief that while he may have made an unfortunate misstep or two regarding choice of words, but I don't see him trying to hurt anybody or the board. It IS the priciple of the thing. I believe that if he didn't post in response to posts, he would be chastised for that too. In other words, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

I am not taking a side other than saying, some people have too much time on their hands and it shows. Does anybody think about what their posts will contribute. I learned the hard way that the BZ is not a place to spray and ask questions later. I have since kept my head down, done my deals quickly and fairly, and contributed a post that I thought benefited the board while letting the crew decide.

Finally, Mike should not be denigrated for his success, hobbies, and obvious philanthropy. Furthermore, I have hovered on another site and he is a great husband, father, and guy. Nobody's business, but I have been labeled on another site from ppl that thought they knew me and didn't. The people who have been lucky enough to deal with Mike will deal with him in the future and while his money is green, his feet are made of clay and he bleeds blood like everybody else.

I also think there is value in Kyle's post. I bet the person who learns and acts differently is Mike.

I only hope everybody won't be judged by their success or a bad choice of words when he probably honestly felt he had gotten ripped off. His subsequent posts show the kind of guy Mike is.

Ok, back to our regularly scheduled program......
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LMFAO, talk about not understanding a thread

[moki]

Additional pictures of the seal and boxcode:

[url=http://www.gartrader.com/forums/topic/3497-mikemets-fake-montecristo-sublimes-from-aes8/page__view__findpost__p__27728]http://www.gartrader.com/forums/topic/3497-mikemets-fake-montecristo-sublimes-from-aes8/page__view__findpost__p__27728[/url]

I have not smoked these yet; busy week.  It's possible I will get to it tonight.

[moki]

Sample picture of a legitimate box of Montecristo #2's with a 2007 boxcode that uses the old-style (discontinued in 2006) bands:

[url=http://www.gartrader.com/forums/topic/3497-mikemets-fake-montecristo-sublimes-from-aes8/page__view__findpost__p__27730]http://www.gartrader.com/forums/topic/3497-mikemets-fake-montecristo-sublimes-from-aes8/page__view__findpost__p__27730[/url]

[4cbln3]

Very good pics Moki. I'm learning you can't judge a "box by it's cover" (bad pun intended)  :)

[moki]

I smoke the cigar, and reached my final conclusion:

[url=http://www.gartrader.com/forums/topic/3497-mikemets-fake-montecristo-sublimes-from-aes8/]http://www.gartrader.com/forums/topic/3497-mikemets-fake-montecristo-sublimes-from-aes8/[/url]

mikemets may beg to differ, but I believe these cigars are the real deal.

[Ginseng]

[quote author=moki link=topic=11636.msg63416#msg63416 date=1322903797]
I smoke the cigar, and reached my final conclusion:

[url=http://www.gartrader.com/forums/topic/3497-mikemets-fake-montecristo-sublimes-from-aes8/]http://www.gartrader.com/forums/topic/3497-mikemets-fake-montecristo-sublimes-from-aes8/[/url]

mikemets may beg to differ, but I believe these cigars are the real deal.
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Nice work, Andrew. Well done.

Wilkey

[canadianbeaver]

Andrew came up with the same conclusion on my "fake" Opus X Taurus. Hey he may work taking bribes for Arturo Fuente but he can't work for Montecristo too.

:nana:

Thanks for your work you do Moki.

Lisa