[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184187#msg184187 date=1539275879]
https://youtu.be/bUV4QlVOdn8
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ROFL This is precisely what I was expecting. Videos of protests (not riots) due to various other topics like women’s rights, civil rights, policy decisions, etc. fights that broke out with the involvement of white supremecist groups AND other Trump supporters, and actually videos of some Trump supporters in there throwing the first punch at someone. LOL These are not riots.
Don't hold back darlin'
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Bigjohnshea
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Re: Don't hold back darlin'
[url=https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/protest]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/protest[/url]
[url=https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/riot]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/riot[/url]
In case some of you are still unclear on the difference between a protest and a riot. 😉
[url=https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/riot]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/riot[/url]
In case some of you are still unclear on the difference between a protest and a riot. 😉
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tksamtec
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Re: Don't hold back darlin'
[quote author=Bigjohnshea link=topic=45784.msg184189#msg184189 date=1539277262]
That comment is very accurate, but not at all the way you think.
The resistance to Obama was based on ridiculous, false and latently bigoted concepts like “he’s a Muslim”, or “he’s not a citizen”. Both of which are obviously false, and were perpetuated by nothing less than racism. Why? Even if he was a Muslim, who cares? Racists care. That’s who... There was no evidence to perpetuate the concept that a Presidential candidate would not have had his citizenship verified before running. So why would anyone believe that? Because they’re racists... That’s the only reason anyone would even pursue that concept.
On the other hand the resistance against Trump is because he’s
1) A vain and inept leader who can’t even keep people on staff
2) Insults everyone he can publicly
3) Acts like a child (and is treated like one by other world leaders)
4) Is starting a trade war for no good reason
5) Gave the richest people in the world an unnecessary tax cut
6) Is surrounded by corrupt people who (like himself) are under investigation by the FBI and have been found guilty in some cases
7) Is being sued by more people than I can count
8) And as was said before has a documented history of bigotry and misogyny
That’s the real difference.
There is no rioting in the streets going on over the election results. You confabulated that out of nowhere because you prefer to hold onto your faulty perceptions (to the point of misleading yourself) rather than challenge them by even considering that you might have made a horrible choice by voting for Trump.
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You seem to take words out of my mouth, or misconstrue what I previously said everytime you respond to my posts. Just because I voted for Trump, doesn't mean that I am any of the items on your list, and the protesting and rioting did get violent, and still is... it will always be a double standard with Dems as long as Trump is in office--thats blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain by now. The protesting when Obama became president was done peacefully, in the living rooms of many Republican's homes. Plus, I never claimed he was Muslim, or not a citizen or anything else--I accepted his win and dealt with it. Lumping me into your basket of personal deplorables with Trump, is unjust and stereotypical. I stated it previously in this thread, as you constantly keep going back to the person he is...I did not vote for him as a person, I voted for him for what he was going to do to with the economy and jobs--we needed change, as Obama's change wasn't working, not for me as an individual and not for us as a country.
That comment is very accurate, but not at all the way you think.
The resistance to Obama was based on ridiculous, false and latently bigoted concepts like “he’s a Muslim”, or “he’s not a citizen”. Both of which are obviously false, and were perpetuated by nothing less than racism. Why? Even if he was a Muslim, who cares? Racists care. That’s who... There was no evidence to perpetuate the concept that a Presidential candidate would not have had his citizenship verified before running. So why would anyone believe that? Because they’re racists... That’s the only reason anyone would even pursue that concept.
On the other hand the resistance against Trump is because he’s
1) A vain and inept leader who can’t even keep people on staff
2) Insults everyone he can publicly
3) Acts like a child (and is treated like one by other world leaders)
4) Is starting a trade war for no good reason
5) Gave the richest people in the world an unnecessary tax cut
6) Is surrounded by corrupt people who (like himself) are under investigation by the FBI and have been found guilty in some cases
7) Is being sued by more people than I can count
8) And as was said before has a documented history of bigotry and misogyny
That’s the real difference.
There is no rioting in the streets going on over the election results. You confabulated that out of nowhere because you prefer to hold onto your faulty perceptions (to the point of misleading yourself) rather than challenge them by even considering that you might have made a horrible choice by voting for Trump.
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You seem to take words out of my mouth, or misconstrue what I previously said everytime you respond to my posts. Just because I voted for Trump, doesn't mean that I am any of the items on your list, and the protesting and rioting did get violent, and still is... it will always be a double standard with Dems as long as Trump is in office--thats blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain by now. The protesting when Obama became president was done peacefully, in the living rooms of many Republican's homes. Plus, I never claimed he was Muslim, or not a citizen or anything else--I accepted his win and dealt with it. Lumping me into your basket of personal deplorables with Trump, is unjust and stereotypical. I stated it previously in this thread, as you constantly keep going back to the person he is...I did not vote for him as a person, I voted for him for what he was going to do to with the economy and jobs--we needed change, as Obama's change wasn't working, not for me as an individual and not for us as a country.
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mk05
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Re: Don't hold back darlin'
While you may have a point, you suffer the same problem that all SJWs have.
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Bigjohnshea
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Re: Don't hold back darlin'
[quote author=tksamtec link=topic=45784.msg184195#msg184195 date=1539283420]
You seem to take words out of my mouth, or misconstrue what I previously said everytime you respond to my posts. [/quote]
It is true that what matters most is what people hear, not what people say. So I am open to the idea that I may be misinterpreting your comments. You however, you need to be open to the same regarding your perception of my comments...
[quote author=tksamtec link=topic=45784.msg184195#msg184195 date=1539283420]
Just because I voted for Trump, doesn't mean that I am any of the items on your list, and the protesting and rioting did get violent, and still is... it will always be a double standard with Dems as long as Trump is in office--thats blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain by now.
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You’ve likely heard the saying, be careful what you do, at the end of the day that is who you are. Given the truth of that old axiom, you should reconsider your perception of what it means to be a Trump supporter. Like I said before, you could have voted for any other candidate that did not admit to grabbing women by the pussy, but you didn’t. Whether or not you like that behavior doesn’t change the fact that you facilitated it in the eyes of the world by voting for it. At the end of they day the burden is yours to prove that you are not a misogynist. It is no longer my responsibility to stay open minded about your intentions.
As for the riots, repeating that they exist does not change the fact that they did not, and do not exist. Whether or not a protest gets out of hand does not change the fact that it is still not a riot.
Your reality check regarding what a real riot is:
https://youtu.be/JJbwHRBaPGU
[quote author=tksamtec link=topic=45784.msg184195#msg184195 date=1539283420]
The protesting when Obama became president was done peacefully, in the living rooms of many Republican's homes.
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Hate to break it to you, but Liberal protests are nearly always peaceful until white supremacists and Trump supporters show up. Why? Because liberals know that other liberals will disown you if you violently protest.
And by “living rooms” you meant, on the national stage via the very racist birther movement, right? 😉
[quote author=tksamtec link=topic=45784.msg184195#msg184195 date=1539283420]
Plus, I never claimed he was Muslim, or not a citizen or anything else--I accepted his win and dealt with it. Lumping me into your basket of personal deplorables with Trump, is unjust and stereotypical. I stated it previously in this thread, as you constantly keep going back to the person he is...I did not vote for him as a person, I voted for him for what he was going to do to with the economy and jobs--we needed change, as Obama's change wasn't working, not for me as an individual and not for us as a country.
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And I have clarified for you before, that the ends (which you perceive have improved under Trump) do not outweigh the means of compromising our values as a nation by supporting him.
I am a liberal, there is no denying it, but I think of myself as fiscally conservative. I was raised by an oil executive father who used to love Rush Limbaugh, but who would spit on Trump if he had the chance... I was raised by a guilt leveling Roman Catholic mother who still votes Republican, most of the time. I have an income representative of my degree. I have every reason to think like a Republican, but I do not, and in large part it is because the old Republicans who would have shat on Trump and denied him the nomination are all dead; either physically dead or dead by the corruption of Republican ideals. As a result my perspectives lean left mostly because the right is now in absolute chaos. The right is not even an option. They are split between blatant white supremacists (who are more empowered now than ever), fundamentalist Christian nut jobs, and fence line voters who are just a shove away from voting for an inspiring candidate on the left. Conservative ideals are no longer what they used to be... They have not been since W Bush and Karl Rove raped them by pandering to the Tea Party and the Evangelicals, and that is a shame. Our two party system would be less of a cluster-f if they had not.
Trump is a result of that, and at the end of the day as a Trump supporter and a Republican, you no longer have any moral ground to stand on. Republicans are not the party of family values any more, they’re the party of grab them by the pussy then pay the porn star hush money so my wife doesn’t know I’m cheating. They’re not the party of fiscal responsibility any more, they’re the party of going bankrupt 15 times if needed. They’re not the party of the sanctity of marriage any more, they’re the party of being divorced three times is fine.
Whether or not you agree with it, that is what being a Republican represents today. In the eyes of the world it does not matter why YOU personally voted for him. Voting for him instead of for ANY OTHER CANDIDATE means you’re fine with what being a Republican has become under Trump. That is reality. Embrace it now and change yourself, or stay a racist misogynistic bigot until your party changes around you.
You seem to take words out of my mouth, or misconstrue what I previously said everytime you respond to my posts. [/quote]
It is true that what matters most is what people hear, not what people say. So I am open to the idea that I may be misinterpreting your comments. You however, you need to be open to the same regarding your perception of my comments...
[quote author=tksamtec link=topic=45784.msg184195#msg184195 date=1539283420]
Just because I voted for Trump, doesn't mean that I am any of the items on your list, and the protesting and rioting did get violent, and still is... it will always be a double standard with Dems as long as Trump is in office--thats blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain by now.
[/quote]
You’ve likely heard the saying, be careful what you do, at the end of the day that is who you are. Given the truth of that old axiom, you should reconsider your perception of what it means to be a Trump supporter. Like I said before, you could have voted for any other candidate that did not admit to grabbing women by the pussy, but you didn’t. Whether or not you like that behavior doesn’t change the fact that you facilitated it in the eyes of the world by voting for it. At the end of they day the burden is yours to prove that you are not a misogynist. It is no longer my responsibility to stay open minded about your intentions.
As for the riots, repeating that they exist does not change the fact that they did not, and do not exist. Whether or not a protest gets out of hand does not change the fact that it is still not a riot.
Your reality check regarding what a real riot is:
https://youtu.be/JJbwHRBaPGU
[quote author=tksamtec link=topic=45784.msg184195#msg184195 date=1539283420]
The protesting when Obama became president was done peacefully, in the living rooms of many Republican's homes.
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Hate to break it to you, but Liberal protests are nearly always peaceful until white supremacists and Trump supporters show up. Why? Because liberals know that other liberals will disown you if you violently protest.
And by “living rooms” you meant, on the national stage via the very racist birther movement, right? 😉
[quote author=tksamtec link=topic=45784.msg184195#msg184195 date=1539283420]
Plus, I never claimed he was Muslim, or not a citizen or anything else--I accepted his win and dealt with it. Lumping me into your basket of personal deplorables with Trump, is unjust and stereotypical. I stated it previously in this thread, as you constantly keep going back to the person he is...I did not vote for him as a person, I voted for him for what he was going to do to with the economy and jobs--we needed change, as Obama's change wasn't working, not for me as an individual and not for us as a country.
[/quote]
And I have clarified for you before, that the ends (which you perceive have improved under Trump) do not outweigh the means of compromising our values as a nation by supporting him.
I am a liberal, there is no denying it, but I think of myself as fiscally conservative. I was raised by an oil executive father who used to love Rush Limbaugh, but who would spit on Trump if he had the chance... I was raised by a guilt leveling Roman Catholic mother who still votes Republican, most of the time. I have an income representative of my degree. I have every reason to think like a Republican, but I do not, and in large part it is because the old Republicans who would have shat on Trump and denied him the nomination are all dead; either physically dead or dead by the corruption of Republican ideals. As a result my perspectives lean left mostly because the right is now in absolute chaos. The right is not even an option. They are split between blatant white supremacists (who are more empowered now than ever), fundamentalist Christian nut jobs, and fence line voters who are just a shove away from voting for an inspiring candidate on the left. Conservative ideals are no longer what they used to be... They have not been since W Bush and Karl Rove raped them by pandering to the Tea Party and the Evangelicals, and that is a shame. Our two party system would be less of a cluster-f if they had not.
Trump is a result of that, and at the end of the day as a Trump supporter and a Republican, you no longer have any moral ground to stand on. Republicans are not the party of family values any more, they’re the party of grab them by the pussy then pay the porn star hush money so my wife doesn’t know I’m cheating. They’re not the party of fiscal responsibility any more, they’re the party of going bankrupt 15 times if needed. They’re not the party of the sanctity of marriage any more, they’re the party of being divorced three times is fine.
Whether or not you agree with it, that is what being a Republican represents today. In the eyes of the world it does not matter why YOU personally voted for him. Voting for him instead of for ANY OTHER CANDIDATE means you’re fine with what being a Republican has become under Trump. That is reality. Embrace it now and change yourself, or stay a racist misogynistic bigot until your party changes around you.
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Bigjohnshea
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Re: Don't hold back darlin'
[quote author=mk05 link=topic=45784.msg184198#msg184198 date=1539290086]
While you may have a point, you suffer the same problem that all SJWs have.
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Social justice warriors are progressives, not conservatives.
While you may have a point, you suffer the same problem that all SJWs have.
[/quote]
Social justice warriors are progressives, not conservatives.
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Prodigy
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Re: Don't hold back darlin'
So, by your logic, your also responsible for all the "bad" things the Democrats have been responsible for. You want women to have access to free birth control in one hand, and to kill an unborn child via abortion in the other. You want the 2nd amendment repealed, and only believe in free speech if it is a benefit to your beliefs. You want open boarders and immunity for all illegal aliens. You dont believe in national security, and selling secrets to the highest bidder is perfectly fine. When big corporations fail, it's ok because taxpayers will bail them out. When low income families want to buy a house but cant afford one, give them the loan anyway because if you dont you would obviously be a racist.
See how that works? I'm not condemning you for the actions of your party, or the actions of a particular person in your party. At least your mom "gets it". It's a shame she wasn't able to pass on some of that common sense...
You seem to dwell on trump's bankruptcy record. No one ever succeeded without failing. How many companies did he start that did not go bankrupt? How many millions of dollars did he earn from his businesses that did not go bankrupt? Edison tried hundreds of times before he got the light bulb right. Should we shame him for failing so many times before he got it right? Should we say he was a worthless inventor because he didn't get right on the first try?
See how that works? I'm not condemning you for the actions of your party, or the actions of a particular person in your party. At least your mom "gets it". It's a shame she wasn't able to pass on some of that common sense...
You seem to dwell on trump's bankruptcy record. No one ever succeeded without failing. How many companies did he start that did not go bankrupt? How many millions of dollars did he earn from his businesses that did not go bankrupt? Edison tried hundreds of times before he got the light bulb right. Should we shame him for failing so many times before he got it right? Should we say he was a worthless inventor because he didn't get right on the first try?
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hp123
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Re: Don't hold back darlin'
RIOTS
[url=https://www.salon.com/2017/01/20/riots-break-out-among-protesters-in-washington-d-c-before-donald-trumps-inauguration/]https://www.salon.com/2017/01/20/riots-break-out-among-protesters-in-washington-d-c-before-donald-trumps-inauguration/[/url]
[url=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmwFNHIG0tQ]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmwFNHIG0tQ[/url]
[url=https://www.salon.com/2017/01/20/riots-break-out-among-protesters-in-washington-d-c-before-donald-trumps-inauguration/]https://www.salon.com/2017/01/20/riots-break-out-among-protesters-in-washington-d-c-before-donald-trumps-inauguration/[/url]
[url=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmwFNHIG0tQ]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmwFNHIG0tQ[/url]
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Bigjohnshea
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Re: Don't hold back darlin'
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
So, by your logic, your also responsible for all the "bad" things the Democrats have been responsible for. [/quote]
Yes. We are all represented in part by how we vote.
However, what you’ve written below is very revealing of your political biases and your poor fund of knowledge regarding the last few decades. Much of what you write below is actually inaccurate regarding what Democrats and Republicans have done the last few decades.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
You want women to have access to free birth control in one hand, and to kill an unborn child via abortion in the other. [/quote]
Yes to free birth control.
Yes to abortion with limitations, which is what most all Democratic politicians represent, and what Dem voters subsequently vote for.
For your own edification, Democratic politicians and voters don’t want women to be able to abort all pregnancies without limitations. That’s just garbage you may believe because you hate the concept of abortion enough to delude yourself into believing that Dems think late term abortions without medical need are acceptable.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
You want the 2nd amendment repealed, [/quote]
There has not been a single Dem Presidential candidate who called for repealing the second amendment. That is straight bias talking from you.
Like most Dem voters and politicians I want gun regulations adjusted to common sense gun laws that require gun registration, gun training, extensive background checks and mental health testing before acquiring every gun. Also I (me personally) want gun owners to be held responsible for what a guns registered in their name is used for, even if someone else commits the crime.
I own and regularly use a Glock 34 and a black powder hunting rifle. I don’t want my guns taken away either, and neither do the politicians I vote for.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
and only believe in free speech if it is a benefit to your beliefs. [/quote]
Dems do not want that. You are truly naive if you believe this. Your true colors (ie. your misconceptions) are truly shining through with these comments.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
You want open boarders and immunity for all illegal aliens.
[/quote]
Dems do not want open borders, and we have never voted for open borders like Trump supporters voted for molestation. You are buying into your political pundit’s nonsense hook line and sinker if you believe that.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
You dont believe in national security,
[/quote]
Obama gave the order to kill Bin Laden. 911 happened under Bush. You guys are the ones who need to face this issue...
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
and selling secrets to the highest bidder is perfectly fine.
[/quote]
Slush funds exist no matter who is in office. Both parties are guilty of this at one point or another. Grow up...
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
When big corporations fail, it's ok because taxpayers will bail them out.
[/quote]
Bush orchestrated the bail outs at the start of the great recession before he left office. Obama continued the trend.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
When low income families want to buy a house but cant afford one, give them the loan anyway because if you dont you would obviously be a racist.
[/quote]
The NINA and SISA loans that preceded the great recession and facilitated MBS and CDO investment products were facilitated by an era of deregulation and unrestrained capitalism under Bush. This was facilitated by that loathsome POS Bill Clinton who signed the GLB Act repealing much of the Glass-Steagal Act.
Does it surprise you to hear me call Bill Clinton a loathsome POS?
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
See how that works?
[/quote]
Yes, I see now that you are incredibly naive and you understand very little about the last few decades of politics and economics.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
You seem to dwell on trump's bankruptcy record. No one ever succeeded without failing. How many companies did he start that did not go bankrupt? How many millions of dollars did he earn from his businesses that did not go bankrupt? [/quote]
Warren Buffett has bankrupted companies numerous times too, but he openly regrets it. The difference is Trump takes pride in his abuse of the bankruptcy laws.
America can’t go bankrupt. We’re not just a company he can run into the ground and then go beg for a loan from the Saudi King like he used to.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
Edison tried hundreds of times before he got the light bulb right. Should we shame him for failing so many times before he got it right? Should we say he was a worthless inventor because he didn't get right on the first try?
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I saw National Treasure too... FYI, failing to make a lightbulb in your inventor’s shop does not cost other companies millions of dollars, cost hundreds of workers their livelihood, etc. You make it sound like going bankrupt is no big deal, like there aren’t hundreds, possibly thousands, of blue collar and white collar workers on the other end of that who lose their livelihood and/or don’t get paid the invoices owed as a result. Does Trump care? No. He admits it. To him it’s just a component of his ability to own a gold plated toilet...
Getting back to the original topic:
I get what you’re trying to say, you do not agree with everything Trump says and does so you don’t feel like you should be framed in the same light he is. I never pretended you did agree. I don’t agree with everything Hillary says and does either. The differences between you and me (with respect to this) is I didn’t vote for bigotry and misogyny, so I do not have to confront the emotional challenge of the media calling me a bigot and a misogynist. That’s your burden because you voted for it. If you don’t want the world to view you that way, change your vote. Don’t expect me to give you the benefit of the doubt though when you’re the one who facilitated the molester-in-chief.
So, by your logic, your also responsible for all the "bad" things the Democrats have been responsible for. [/quote]
Yes. We are all represented in part by how we vote.
However, what you’ve written below is very revealing of your political biases and your poor fund of knowledge regarding the last few decades. Much of what you write below is actually inaccurate regarding what Democrats and Republicans have done the last few decades.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
You want women to have access to free birth control in one hand, and to kill an unborn child via abortion in the other. [/quote]
Yes to free birth control.
Yes to abortion with limitations, which is what most all Democratic politicians represent, and what Dem voters subsequently vote for.
For your own edification, Democratic politicians and voters don’t want women to be able to abort all pregnancies without limitations. That’s just garbage you may believe because you hate the concept of abortion enough to delude yourself into believing that Dems think late term abortions without medical need are acceptable.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
You want the 2nd amendment repealed, [/quote]
There has not been a single Dem Presidential candidate who called for repealing the second amendment. That is straight bias talking from you.
Like most Dem voters and politicians I want gun regulations adjusted to common sense gun laws that require gun registration, gun training, extensive background checks and mental health testing before acquiring every gun. Also I (me personally) want gun owners to be held responsible for what a guns registered in their name is used for, even if someone else commits the crime.
I own and regularly use a Glock 34 and a black powder hunting rifle. I don’t want my guns taken away either, and neither do the politicians I vote for.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
and only believe in free speech if it is a benefit to your beliefs. [/quote]
Dems do not want that. You are truly naive if you believe this. Your true colors (ie. your misconceptions) are truly shining through with these comments.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
You want open boarders and immunity for all illegal aliens.
[/quote]
Dems do not want open borders, and we have never voted for open borders like Trump supporters voted for molestation. You are buying into your political pundit’s nonsense hook line and sinker if you believe that.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
You dont believe in national security,
[/quote]
Obama gave the order to kill Bin Laden. 911 happened under Bush. You guys are the ones who need to face this issue...
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
and selling secrets to the highest bidder is perfectly fine.
[/quote]
Slush funds exist no matter who is in office. Both parties are guilty of this at one point or another. Grow up...
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
When big corporations fail, it's ok because taxpayers will bail them out.
[/quote]
Bush orchestrated the bail outs at the start of the great recession before he left office. Obama continued the trend.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
When low income families want to buy a house but cant afford one, give them the loan anyway because if you dont you would obviously be a racist.
[/quote]
The NINA and SISA loans that preceded the great recession and facilitated MBS and CDO investment products were facilitated by an era of deregulation and unrestrained capitalism under Bush. This was facilitated by that loathsome POS Bill Clinton who signed the GLB Act repealing much of the Glass-Steagal Act.
Does it surprise you to hear me call Bill Clinton a loathsome POS?
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
See how that works?
[/quote]
Yes, I see now that you are incredibly naive and you understand very little about the last few decades of politics and economics.
[quote author=Prodigy link=topic=45784.msg184204#msg184204 date=1539311622]
You seem to dwell on trump's bankruptcy record. No one ever succeeded without failing. How many companies did he start that did not go bankrupt? How many millions of dollars did he earn from his businesses that did not go bankrupt? [/quote]
Warren Buffett has bankrupted companies numerous times too, but he openly regrets it. The difference is Trump takes pride in his abuse of the bankruptcy laws.
America can’t go bankrupt. We’re not just a company he can run into the ground and then go beg for a loan from the Saudi King like he used to.
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Edison tried hundreds of times before he got the light bulb right. Should we shame him for failing so many times before he got it right? Should we say he was a worthless inventor because he didn't get right on the first try?
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I saw National Treasure too... FYI, failing to make a lightbulb in your inventor’s shop does not cost other companies millions of dollars, cost hundreds of workers their livelihood, etc. You make it sound like going bankrupt is no big deal, like there aren’t hundreds, possibly thousands, of blue collar and white collar workers on the other end of that who lose their livelihood and/or don’t get paid the invoices owed as a result. Does Trump care? No. He admits it. To him it’s just a component of his ability to own a gold plated toilet...
Getting back to the original topic:
I get what you’re trying to say, you do not agree with everything Trump says and does so you don’t feel like you should be framed in the same light he is. I never pretended you did agree. I don’t agree with everything Hillary says and does either. The differences between you and me (with respect to this) is I didn’t vote for bigotry and misogyny, so I do not have to confront the emotional challenge of the media calling me a bigot and a misogynist. That’s your burden because you voted for it. If you don’t want the world to view you that way, change your vote. Don’t expect me to give you the benefit of the doubt though when you’re the one who facilitated the molester-in-chief.
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Re: Don't hold back darlin'
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RIOTS
[url=https://www.salon.com/2017/01/20/riots-break-out-among-protesters-in-washington-d-c-before-donald-trumps-inauguration/]https://www.salon.com/2017/01/20/riots-break-out-among-protesters-in-washington-d-c-before-donald-trumps-inauguration/[/url]
[url=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmwFNHIG0tQ]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmwFNHIG0tQ[/url]
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LOL! The Los Angeles RIOTS cost that city hundreds of millions of dollars. Similarly the riots in Baltimore a few years ago did millions in damage. You think a few broken shop windows and some police activity is a riot because a media outlet calls it one? Get some perspective...
RIOTS
[url=https://www.salon.com/2017/01/20/riots-break-out-among-protesters-in-washington-d-c-before-donald-trumps-inauguration/]https://www.salon.com/2017/01/20/riots-break-out-among-protesters-in-washington-d-c-before-donald-trumps-inauguration/[/url]
[url=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmwFNHIG0tQ]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmwFNHIG0tQ[/url]
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LOL! The Los Angeles RIOTS cost that city hundreds of millions of dollars. Similarly the riots in Baltimore a few years ago did millions in damage. You think a few broken shop windows and some police activity is a riot because a media outlet calls it one? Get some perspective...