2005 Ramon Allones UK Beli help

[tksamtec]

I am in the middle of a situation where someone is questioning the authenticity of a box of rare RA UK Belis that I have and I need some help from the FOGs and seasoned vets here that have some knowledge of this release.

A little background:
My box was acquired from a well known member here around the 09 timeframe, and he acquired these from a highly reputable UK source (the box has an H&F stamp).  It is from my own personal research several years back, that I felt like I had a good handle on the provenance here, and there was no question regarding the authenticity.  I will post pics of the box once its back in my possession.

For now, I am hoping a few people can just chime in to help, IF they have a box of the same cigars in their collection OR if they have smoked sticks from this release, or have any general knowledge of the packaging for this release.

A little history--this cigar was one of the first official REs.  At the time, Habanos SA didn't have an official RE program, and they decided to take a box that was being sold and distributed within the UK only, and make it an official RE.  There is no badging or labeling to set this apart from REs now.  There is no second band, and the early released boxes were labeled Belicosos.  Even CCW makes no mention of Belicosos Finos, and they call this cigar Belicosos.

Now, the problem comes in where apparently a buyer of my 2005 Belis is claiming the box is not right, since it doesn't say Belicosos Finos.  To my knowledge, this is not a major determining factor in the authenticity of this release, as many boxes were labeled Belicosos, as they had already been rolled when Habanos SA decided to release them as regionals from the UK.

Can others here confirm this background, and post pics of their boxes, if possible?  This would be a huge help to me, as I have never had anyone accuse me of propagating fake cigars, and I am confident that is not the case here either.

Thanks for any help.

[tstoner86]

None of the boxes were labeled “Belisco Fino” only Belicoso.


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[CigSid]

Actually, I have had boxes that have said both. I still have the boxes somewhere, and will post pictures when I find them.

[tstoner86]

Really? The 2005? I thought only 2007 had the “fino”


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[CigSid]

Here is a pic of my 05 box, I will find the boxes in the next few days and post more pics...

These are amazing cigars...
[img]http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e21/CigSid/RABF%201_zpsyit1bmst.png[/img]

[canadianbeaver]

Won’t this reference help you?

[url=https://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/brand/ramon-Allones]https://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/brand/ramon-Allones[/url][/url]

[URL=http://s178.photobucket.com/user/partytart/media/C19B0E5C-B2DF-48A7-BBD0-B265D627AF3C.png.html][IMG]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/partytart/C19B0E5C-B2DF-48A7-BBD0-B265D627AF3C.png[/img][/URL]

[CigSid]

I am going to try the photo again.
[img]http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e21/CigSid/RABF%201_zpszowjgjko.jpg[/img]

[tksamtec]

For reference purposes, these are the release from 05, not 07, 10 or 12.... they are called Belicosos or in a few instances some boxes are labeled Belicoso Finos. I am looking for pics that say Belicosos as that is what the buyer is claiming makes these fake. Both boxes do exist, and I have seen both, but, personally, I have seen more of the Belicosos labeled boxes. These do NOT have a 2nd band either. The 05 is the only release I am concerned about here... all other Belicosos RE releases are double banded.

[canadianbeaver]

[URL=http://s178.photobucket.com/user/partytart/media/C9944711-3512-4BE9-A677-CCF9C32C47D6.png.html][IMG]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/partytart/C9944711-3512-4BE9-A677-CCF9C32C47D6.png[/img][/URL]

Belicosos Fino is Bolivar

[tksamtec]

[img]http://www.shojikido.com/cgi-local/mt/archives/shojikido/Ramon_Belicosos.jpg[/img]

This picture link was sent to me by a member here... there are a bunch of vintage and really hard to find boxes posted at the same website.  Datecode of this box was GKI JUL04

Bill (CigSd) is going to try to take some pics of his boxes tomorrow.