[quote author=Hutch link=topic=37990.msg160072#msg160072 date=1462665643]
Hell, elect another "progressive" and see how fast you can destroy the American economy >:(
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Way ahead of ya! :smiley-cool:
Rights vs. Wishes
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WadeFillingame
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Re: Rights vs. Wishes
Who is John Galt?
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Hutch
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No shit ! When I first read it 40 years ago, I thought "That would really suck".
Read it again last year, and thought "Yup, it really does suck".
Read it again last year, and thought "Yup, it really does suck".
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WadeFillingame
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Re: Rights vs. Wishes
TWO AMERICAS
The Democrats are right, there are two Americas.
The America that works, and the America that doesn’t. The America that contributes, and the America that doesn’t.
It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the dos and the don’ts. Some people do their duty as Americans, to obey the law and support themselves and contribute to society, and others don’t.
That’s the divide in America.
It’s not about income inequality, it’s about civic irresponsibility. It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country.
That’s not invective, that’s truth.
And it’s about time someone said it.
The politics of envy was on proud display last week as the president said he would pledge the rest of his term to fighting “income inequality.” He notes that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that’s not just.
It was the rationale of thievery.
The other guy has it, you want it, Obama will take it for you.
Vote Democrat.
It is the electoral philosophy that gave us Detroit. It is the electoral philosophy that is destroying America.
And it conceals a fundamental deviation from American values and common sense. It ends up not being a benefit to the people who support it, but a betrayal. The Democrats have not empowered their followers, they have enslaved them – in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victimhood and anger instead of ability and hope.
The president’s premise – that you reduce income inequality by debasing the successful – seeks to ignore and cheat the law of choices and consequences. It seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices.
Because, by and large, the variability in society is a result of different choices leading to different consequences. Those who choose wisely and responsibly have a far greater likelihood of success, while those who choose foolishly and irresponsibly have a far greater likelihood of failure.
And success and failure can manifest themselves in personal and family income.
You choose to drop out of high school or to skip college and you are apt to have a different outcome than someone who gets a diploma and pushes on with purposeful education. You have your children out of wedlock and life is apt to take one course, you have them in wedlock and life is apt to take another course.
Most often in life our destination is determined by the course we take.
My doctor, for example, makes far more than I do. There is significant income inequality between us. Our lives have had an inequality of outcome. But, our lives also have had an inequality of effort. Whereas my doctor went to college and then gave the flower of his young adulthood to medical school and residency, I got a job in a restaurant. He made a choice, I made a choice. And our choices led us to different outcomes.
His outcome pays a lot better than mine.
Does that mean he cheated and Barack Obama needs to take away his wealth?
No, it means we are both free men.
And in a free society, free choices will lead to different outcomes.
It is not inequality Barack Obama will take away, it is freedom.
The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail. And there is no true option for success if there is no true option for failure.
The pursuit of happiness means a whole lot less when you face the punitive hand of government if your pursuit brings you more happiness than the other guy.
Even if the other guy sat on his arse and did nothing.
Even if the other guy made a lifetime’s worth of asinine and shortsighted decisions.
Barack Obama and the Democrats preach equality of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring inequality of effort. The simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get.”
The progressive movement would turn that upside down.
Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society. Entitlement has replaced effort as the key to upward mobility in American society.
Or at least it has if Barack Obama gets his way.
He seeks a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive and fosters equality through mediocrity.
He and his party speak of two Americas.
And their grip on power is based on using the votes of one to sap the productivity of the other.
America is not divided by the differences in our outcomes, it is divided by the differences in our efforts. And by the false philosophy that says one man’s success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man’s victimization.
What the president offered was not a solution, but a separatism. He fomented division and strife, he pitted one set of Americans against another.
For his own political benefit.
That’s what progressives offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow.
Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the truth to Lincoln’s maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
- by Bob Lonsberry © 2013
[url=http://www.lonsberry.com/writings.cfm?story=3651][color=blue]- by Bob Lonsberry © 2013[/color][/url]
The Democrats are right, there are two Americas.
The America that works, and the America that doesn’t. The America that contributes, and the America that doesn’t.
It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the dos and the don’ts. Some people do their duty as Americans, to obey the law and support themselves and contribute to society, and others don’t.
That’s the divide in America.
It’s not about income inequality, it’s about civic irresponsibility. It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country.
That’s not invective, that’s truth.
And it’s about time someone said it.
The politics of envy was on proud display last week as the president said he would pledge the rest of his term to fighting “income inequality.” He notes that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that’s not just.
It was the rationale of thievery.
The other guy has it, you want it, Obama will take it for you.
Vote Democrat.
It is the electoral philosophy that gave us Detroit. It is the electoral philosophy that is destroying America.
And it conceals a fundamental deviation from American values and common sense. It ends up not being a benefit to the people who support it, but a betrayal. The Democrats have not empowered their followers, they have enslaved them – in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victimhood and anger instead of ability and hope.
The president’s premise – that you reduce income inequality by debasing the successful – seeks to ignore and cheat the law of choices and consequences. It seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices.
Because, by and large, the variability in society is a result of different choices leading to different consequences. Those who choose wisely and responsibly have a far greater likelihood of success, while those who choose foolishly and irresponsibly have a far greater likelihood of failure.
And success and failure can manifest themselves in personal and family income.
You choose to drop out of high school or to skip college and you are apt to have a different outcome than someone who gets a diploma and pushes on with purposeful education. You have your children out of wedlock and life is apt to take one course, you have them in wedlock and life is apt to take another course.
Most often in life our destination is determined by the course we take.
My doctor, for example, makes far more than I do. There is significant income inequality between us. Our lives have had an inequality of outcome. But, our lives also have had an inequality of effort. Whereas my doctor went to college and then gave the flower of his young adulthood to medical school and residency, I got a job in a restaurant. He made a choice, I made a choice. And our choices led us to different outcomes.
His outcome pays a lot better than mine.
Does that mean he cheated and Barack Obama needs to take away his wealth?
No, it means we are both free men.
And in a free society, free choices will lead to different outcomes.
It is not inequality Barack Obama will take away, it is freedom.
The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail. And there is no true option for success if there is no true option for failure.
The pursuit of happiness means a whole lot less when you face the punitive hand of government if your pursuit brings you more happiness than the other guy.
Even if the other guy sat on his arse and did nothing.
Even if the other guy made a lifetime’s worth of asinine and shortsighted decisions.
Barack Obama and the Democrats preach equality of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring inequality of effort. The simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get.”
The progressive movement would turn that upside down.
Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society. Entitlement has replaced effort as the key to upward mobility in American society.
Or at least it has if Barack Obama gets his way.
He seeks a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive and fosters equality through mediocrity.
He and his party speak of two Americas.
And their grip on power is based on using the votes of one to sap the productivity of the other.
America is not divided by the differences in our outcomes, it is divided by the differences in our efforts. And by the false philosophy that says one man’s success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man’s victimization.
What the president offered was not a solution, but a separatism. He fomented division and strife, he pitted one set of Americans against another.
For his own political benefit.
That’s what progressives offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow.
Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the truth to Lincoln’s maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
- by Bob Lonsberry © 2013
[url=http://www.lonsberry.com/writings.cfm?story=3651][color=blue]- by Bob Lonsberry © 2013[/color][/url]
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Re: Rights vs. Wishes
[quote author=XTR link=topic=37990.msg159966#msg159966 date=1462451415]
The UAW was as culpable as bad management by the Big 3 in the collapse of Detroit. But that's a whole other conversation.
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SO true
The UAW was as culpable as bad management by the Big 3 in the collapse of Detroit. But that's a whole other conversation.
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SO true
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[quote author=Hutch link=topic=37990.msg160037#msg160037 date=1462603530]
So you believe that private companies should be REQUIRED to keep their business in a particular location ? You believe that who they hire should be dictated by someone else ? Let me guess...the government ? The government telling a business where it must stay and who it must hire ? I'm at a loss for a response to such a repulsive idea. I can't help but think that you're pulling our legs.
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Pole lock :owned:
So you believe that private companies should be REQUIRED to keep their business in a particular location ? You believe that who they hire should be dictated by someone else ? Let me guess...the government ? The government telling a business where it must stay and who it must hire ? I'm at a loss for a response to such a repulsive idea. I can't help but think that you're pulling our legs.
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Pole lock :owned:
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AlohaStyle
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Re: Rights vs. Wishes
[quote author=Hutch link=topic=37990.msg160072#msg160072 date=1462665643]
All of my questions pertain to a slippery slope that we are already sliding down. And folks who want to determine THEIR share of what OTHERS have invested their time and money into have pushed us off the edge. It's no wonder that we are seeing folks by the millions fleeing to Right To Work states, business OWNERS doing anything they can to protect the bottom line and ROI from the businesses that they OWN, and the same folks taking their money out of the country.
Anybody with a brain, who has earned something, only to find folks trying to steal it, is going to hide it. Job producers and business builders are dwindling, and the parasites are multiplying. The scary day is approaching when the parasites will no longer have the producers to live off of...it's not going to be pretty. Hell, elect another "progressive" and see how fast you can destroy the American economy >:(
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Hutch is dead on here. This thread is basically about US freedoms, rights, good ole US of A. Then the hypocrisy comes when some people want to tell private companies who and where they can hire.
Just like Hutch, I don't agree with it, but the hypocrisy is ironic in this thread.
All of my questions pertain to a slippery slope that we are already sliding down. And folks who want to determine THEIR share of what OTHERS have invested their time and money into have pushed us off the edge. It's no wonder that we are seeing folks by the millions fleeing to Right To Work states, business OWNERS doing anything they can to protect the bottom line and ROI from the businesses that they OWN, and the same folks taking their money out of the country.
Anybody with a brain, who has earned something, only to find folks trying to steal it, is going to hide it. Job producers and business builders are dwindling, and the parasites are multiplying. The scary day is approaching when the parasites will no longer have the producers to live off of...it's not going to be pretty. Hell, elect another "progressive" and see how fast you can destroy the American economy >:(
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Hutch is dead on here. This thread is basically about US freedoms, rights, good ole US of A. Then the hypocrisy comes when some people want to tell private companies who and where they can hire.
Just like Hutch, I don't agree with it, but the hypocrisy is ironic in this thread.
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