[quote author=UBB link=topic=32233.msg138096#msg138096 date=1424280647]
I don't disagree at all. I also agree with the sentiment of 'trust' your source (which is why I decided to buy from Steve in the firstplace). [b]But insisting a source is infallible, like has been the case in this thread, is absurd.[/b]
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Two of my primary sources are infallible. There - I said it. After several years of dealing with them, this is my opinion.
Even if I received questionable sticks and they looked fake to me, I could contact either vendor within a reasonable amount of time, and they would take them back and ship new ones no questions asked. Maybe it's because I throw them enough dough, but more likely, it's because they are both licensed vendors who know their stock better than I ever could.
BTW, there are more than two infallible sources out there, IMO.
UBB I'll start the thread for you...please proceed
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I believe it's already been proven that the argument from the seller would be the same regardless of the amount of time UBB waited, whether it be a day or a year.
At this point, like I said, if the seller fully believes his sticks are legitimate, what was stopping him from offering to take them back at the buyers shipping cost and refunding the cost of the box before the original shipping.
The whole time argument is a moot point with the way the seller has handled himself.
[/quote]Wow really?
Dude you can't even return a $2 item from WalMart after 2 months! Get a life. We all feel bad for UBB but that doesn't mean someone who entered into a cigar transaction with him needs to refund his money because he got cold feet.
If saying something implies PROOF as you seem to think then it has been well established by several experienced botl here that these are NOT fake so I guess you are right case closed. It's nice to see some of UBB friends come out and support him... but asking someone to return money after so much time has gone by is not reasonable.
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I believe it's already been proven that the argument from the seller would be the same regardless of the amount of time UBB waited, whether it be a day or a year.
At this point, like I said, if the seller fully believes his sticks are legitimate, what was stopping him from offering to take them back at the buyers shipping cost and refunding the cost of the box before the original shipping.
The whole time argument is a moot point with the way the seller has handled himself.
[/quote]Wow really?
Dude you can't even return a $2 item from WalMart after 2 months! Get a life. We all feel bad for UBB but that doesn't mean someone who entered into a cigar transaction with him needs to refund his money because he got cold feet.
If saying something implies PROOF as you seem to think then it has been well established by several experienced botl here that these are NOT fake so I guess you are right case closed. It's nice to see some of UBB friends come out and support him... but asking someone to return money after so much time has gone by is not reasonable.
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UBB
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Actually you can quite easily.
As for your cold feet comment. :lookatme:
Though it is nice to see some of Hibafan's friends to come out and support him but some of you guys are in serious need of a dictionary.
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Wow really?
Dude you can't even return a $2 item from WalMart after 2 months! Get a life. We all feel bad for UBB but that doesn't mean someone who entered into a cigar transaction with him needs to refund his money because he got cold feet.
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As for your cold feet comment. :lookatme:
Though it is nice to see some of Hibafan's friends to come out and support him but some of you guys are in serious need of a dictionary.
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Wow really?
Dude you can't even return a $2 item from WalMart after 2 months! Get a life. We all feel bad for UBB but that doesn't mean someone who entered into a cigar transaction with him needs to refund his money because he got cold feet.
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Re: UBB I'll start the thread for you...please proceed
[quote author=leftCoast1963 link=topic=32233.msg138104#msg138104 date=1424283866]
Wow really?
Dude you can't even return a $2 item from WalMart after 2 months! Get a life. We all feel bad for UBB but that doesn't mean someone who entered into a cigar transaction with him needs to refund his money because he got cold feet.
If saying something implies PROOF as you seem to think then it has been well established by several experienced botl here that these are NOT fake so I guess you are right case closed. It's nice to see some of UBB friends come out and support him... but asking someone to return money after so much time has gone by is not reasonable.
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Glad to see that you're buddy buddy with Hibafan. and your argument is completely invalid. I've returned plenty of things over that time period without question. Different retailers have different return policies. If it's Hibas policy that the sale is final, then so be it, but that wasn't discussed and now we are here.
I'm glad you guys have more time in your life to sit back and troll people than most of us do. I've never seen a "BOTL" so hostile in regards to another brother coming and trying to discuss a possibility like this.
Anytime I've ever had someone get so hostile so quickly about something, it's a clear indication they are trying to cover something...Why would someone get so defensive so quickly and not want to work things out in private when UBB was simply asking questions.
I think there is just as much proof here that they are real as there is they are fake...No one will know for sure unless they were sent off for official authentication. It's the actions of the Seller that show just how sketchy this all is.
Wow really?
Dude you can't even return a $2 item from WalMart after 2 months! Get a life. We all feel bad for UBB but that doesn't mean someone who entered into a cigar transaction with him needs to refund his money because he got cold feet.
If saying something implies PROOF as you seem to think then it has been well established by several experienced botl here that these are NOT fake so I guess you are right case closed. It's nice to see some of UBB friends come out and support him... but asking someone to return money after so much time has gone by is not reasonable.
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Glad to see that you're buddy buddy with Hibafan. and your argument is completely invalid. I've returned plenty of things over that time period without question. Different retailers have different return policies. If it's Hibas policy that the sale is final, then so be it, but that wasn't discussed and now we are here.
I'm glad you guys have more time in your life to sit back and troll people than most of us do. I've never seen a "BOTL" so hostile in regards to another brother coming and trying to discuss a possibility like this.
Anytime I've ever had someone get so hostile so quickly about something, it's a clear indication they are trying to cover something...Why would someone get so defensive so quickly and not want to work things out in private when UBB was simply asking questions.
I think there is just as much proof here that they are real as there is they are fake...No one will know for sure unless they were sent off for official authentication. It's the actions of the Seller that show just how sketchy this all is.
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[quote author=Taps86 link=topic=32233.msg138116#msg138116 date=1424289952]
Glad to see now UBB has brought over some of his buddies to jump on ship with him.
Why would anyone who sold cigars to someone 2 months later return cash to them??? Seriously? Maybe chain stores will, but get real here.
And Joe you have 24 posts here. You expect us to respect your opinion???? Last I checked respect is not a given. Its earned.
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I don't believe I ever asked for your respect...nor do I want your respect. I've read enough about you on here to know that you're quite well known for your douchebaggery...and frankly, I don't have time to deal with that crap. Just as Hibafan brought all his thugs with him, I felt it was finally time to step in and play the devils advocate...which clearly you guys couldn't care less about.
So please, continue being the douchebag everyone on here knows you are.
Glad to see now UBB has brought over some of his buddies to jump on ship with him.
Why would anyone who sold cigars to someone 2 months later return cash to them??? Seriously? Maybe chain stores will, but get real here.
And Joe you have 24 posts here. You expect us to respect your opinion???? Last I checked respect is not a given. Its earned.
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I don't believe I ever asked for your respect...nor do I want your respect. I've read enough about you on here to know that you're quite well known for your douchebaggery...and frankly, I don't have time to deal with that crap. Just as Hibafan brought all his thugs with him, I felt it was finally time to step in and play the devils advocate...which clearly you guys couldn't care less about.
So please, continue being the douchebag everyone on here knows you are.
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leftCoast1963
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Not buddy buddy with HibaFan. In fact I have never met him. He lives in Ottawa and I live on Vancouver Island. I am probably closer to you then him.
I thought that my arguement was valid. Thank you for clearing that up. I clearly see now after reading your post how wrong I and everyone else here has been. Can you tell us of some of the things you returned after 2 months and where they were returned to? Cause I'm calling BULLSHIT!
I can understand the surprise of being contacted by someone who purchased very expensive cigars from after 2 months has elapsed and wanting their money back while questioning the authenticity of the sticks. How does HibaFan know he wasn't being scammed? (I didn't say I thought that either so don't go there, but it is a possiblity). In such a case I too would not likely be the friendliest person you have ever dealt with either, and I believe the same could be said for most people.
Your thoughts about someone being defensive and covering something up... really? You have already decided who you believe is right here and therefore any testing of the cigars is really useless, as it will not change your views about this in any case.
While I am not saying that this is what I think is the case... can you tell me why after 2 months Hibafan should accept UBB's contention that these cigars are fakes or even the ones HibaFan sent him? Yet you in your mind think it quite OK for HibaFan to just refund the $$$ and take back cigars that has been said over and over UBB was not asking for???
As I said, glad UBB has some friends coming to help his case as he sees it. It won't change anything but it is good to have some support. Have you bothered to read the number of people here who think the buyer in this case was wrong, and that the expert opinion he sought out was not from someone with a whole ton of experience and were probably out of their field in trying to determine authenticity.
Hopefuly Fshaw can add some clarity to this matter, but let's face it, even after that, I'm betting someone still feels ripped off.
Many here, think it is the actions of the buyer (not checking product immediatley, not contacting seller of problems for 2 months)who has been the biggest factor in this becoming such a mess.
I thought that my arguement was valid. Thank you for clearing that up. I clearly see now after reading your post how wrong I and everyone else here has been. Can you tell us of some of the things you returned after 2 months and where they were returned to? Cause I'm calling BULLSHIT!
I can understand the surprise of being contacted by someone who purchased very expensive cigars from after 2 months has elapsed and wanting their money back while questioning the authenticity of the sticks. How does HibaFan know he wasn't being scammed? (I didn't say I thought that either so don't go there, but it is a possiblity). In such a case I too would not likely be the friendliest person you have ever dealt with either, and I believe the same could be said for most people.
Your thoughts about someone being defensive and covering something up... really? You have already decided who you believe is right here and therefore any testing of the cigars is really useless, as it will not change your views about this in any case.
While I am not saying that this is what I think is the case... can you tell me why after 2 months Hibafan should accept UBB's contention that these cigars are fakes or even the ones HibaFan sent him? Yet you in your mind think it quite OK for HibaFan to just refund the $$$ and take back cigars that has been said over and over UBB was not asking for???
As I said, glad UBB has some friends coming to help his case as he sees it. It won't change anything but it is good to have some support. Have you bothered to read the number of people here who think the buyer in this case was wrong, and that the expert opinion he sought out was not from someone with a whole ton of experience and were probably out of their field in trying to determine authenticity.
Hopefuly Fshaw can add some clarity to this matter, but let's face it, even after that, I'm betting someone still feels ripped off.
Many here, think it is the actions of the buyer (not checking product immediatley, not contacting seller of problems for 2 months)who has been the biggest factor in this becoming such a mess.
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And once again you and Taps prove, that you really are talking out your ass.
If a simple skill such as reading comprehension is that elusive to you, I really don't know what else to say to you,\ so please, by all means, continue to rant away.
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[b]I can understand the surprise of being contacted by someone who purchased very expensive cigars from after 2 months has elapsed and wanting their money back while questioning the authenticity of the sticks. [/b]How does HibaFan know he wasn't being scammed? (I didn't say I thought that either so don't go there, but it is a possiblity).
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If a simple skill such as reading comprehension is that elusive to you, I really don't know what else to say to you,\ so please, by all means, continue to rant away.
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[b]I can understand the surprise of being contacted by someone who purchased very expensive cigars from after 2 months has elapsed and wanting their money back while questioning the authenticity of the sticks. [/b]How does HibaFan know he wasn't being scammed? (I didn't say I thought that either so don't go there, but it is a possiblity).
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[quote author=UBB link=topic=32233.msg138106#msg138106 date=1424285206]
Actually you can quite easily.
As for your cold feet comment. :lookatme:
Though it is nice to see some of Hibafan's friends to come out and support him but some of you guys are in serious need of a dictionary.
[/quote]OK let's quit fucking around here. Answer a couple of questions with any sense of logic if you can, and I'm betting you can't or will refuse to.
WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS REASONABLE TO WAIT FOR 2 MONTHS TO MAKE A COMPLAINT ABOUT ANY ITEM YOU PURCHASE ANYWHERE?
WHY DID YOU NOT CHECK THESE STICKS WHEN YOU GOT THEM, AND IF YOU DID WHY NOT COMPLAIN THEN?
You purchased these sticks and were happy with them until someone you gifted one to started asking the same expert you asked if they were fakes.
Again I will reiterate, I am not a buddy of HibaFan, he is just another member here like you or me. Why does that matter however when you have brought your friends here to support you? Does it somehow show guilt on Hibafans part if people support him? What does it say about you then?
I will wait for Fshaw's opinion on this. I feel bad that you are unsatified in this matter, but it certainly isn't my fault. You keep taking everything I say so personally. You shouldn't we don't know each other and these are all just opinions. Unfortunatley in this situation I feel that your actions have hampered a resolve in this matter. I am sure in the future there will be issues we would agree on, just not this one.
Actually you can quite easily.
As for your cold feet comment. :lookatme:
Though it is nice to see some of Hibafan's friends to come out and support him but some of you guys are in serious need of a dictionary.
[/quote]OK let's quit fucking around here. Answer a couple of questions with any sense of logic if you can, and I'm betting you can't or will refuse to.
WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS REASONABLE TO WAIT FOR 2 MONTHS TO MAKE A COMPLAINT ABOUT ANY ITEM YOU PURCHASE ANYWHERE?
WHY DID YOU NOT CHECK THESE STICKS WHEN YOU GOT THEM, AND IF YOU DID WHY NOT COMPLAIN THEN?
You purchased these sticks and were happy with them until someone you gifted one to started asking the same expert you asked if they were fakes.
Again I will reiterate, I am not a buddy of HibaFan, he is just another member here like you or me. Why does that matter however when you have brought your friends here to support you? Does it somehow show guilt on Hibafans part if people support him? What does it say about you then?
I will wait for Fshaw's opinion on this. I feel bad that you are unsatified in this matter, but it certainly isn't my fault. You keep taking everything I say so personally. You shouldn't we don't know each other and these are all just opinions. Unfortunatley in this situation I feel that your actions have hampered a resolve in this matter. I am sure in the future there will be issues we would agree on, just not this one.
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UBB
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Re: UBB I'll start the thread for you...please proceed
Already answered quite clearly I believe, why the timeline has played out in the manner as it has and the circumstances surrounding the cigars in question. Either you are being deliberately obtuse or have a serious comprehension issue.
It is what it is.
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OK let's quit fucking around here. Answer a couple of questions with any sense of logic if you can, and I'm betting you can't or will refuse to.
WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS REASONABLE TO WAIT FOR 2 MONTHS TO MAKE A COMPLAINT ABOUT ANY ITEM YOU PURCHASE ANYWHERE?
WHY DID YOU NOT CHECK THESE STICKS WHEN YOU GOT THEM, AND IF YOU DID WHY NOT COMPLAIN THEN?
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It is what it is.
[quote author=leftCoast1963 link=topic=32233.msg138128#msg138128 date=1424292477]
OK let's quit fucking around here. Answer a couple of questions with any sense of logic if you can, and I'm betting you can't or will refuse to.
WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS REASONABLE TO WAIT FOR 2 MONTHS TO MAKE A COMPLAINT ABOUT ANY ITEM YOU PURCHASE ANYWHERE?
WHY DID YOU NOT CHECK THESE STICKS WHEN YOU GOT THEM, AND IF YOU DID WHY NOT COMPLAIN THEN?
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Re: UBB I'll start the thread for you...please proceed
Don't really care but anyone agreeing with the OR buyer is a fucking idiot.
Really? wait 2 months and then bitch about the product in question? The seller was nice enough to respond to your silly PMs and emails. I for one wouldn't have even responded to a inquire regarding a sale from 2 months ago.
Really? wait 2 months and then bitch about the product in question? The seller was nice enough to respond to your silly PMs and emails. I for one wouldn't have even responded to a inquire regarding a sale from 2 months ago.