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Someone explain to me how these are Monsdales. Thank you.

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Lol. Saw that too and was like "hmmmmpf WTF?"

No shit! I commented last week in the shout box about that. I've also seen monsdale pyramids and monsdale robustos offered by some idiot on here. Nevermind the fact that monsdales were a specific size  :o And I say WERE because I'm suspicious of any monsdales produced since Enrique died. I don't care who's relative rolls  them or where they are rolled, the blend is not even close. Of course there was some variation when he was alive because of leaf availability, but over the years they were surprisingly consistent. I've smoked dozens of the real thing, and still have two of the commemorative boxes, and the 8-10 imitations that I've smoked since were woefully lacking. Sorry about the rant, but it's a pet peeve of mine. And don't get me started on the "BHK Seconds" that an idiot is pedaling here !  :)

I agree their is some shady stuff being offered. Jorge does roll other sizes other than the "Monsdale" size. Furthermore, Enrique rolled other sizes than Monsdales and they were delicious. Enrique's were much better, but I picked up some yummy siglo VI and edmundo size Jorges while in Havana the last two trips. Just my thoughts.

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No shit! I commented last week in the shout box about that. I've also seen monsdale pyramids and monsdale robustos offered by some idiot on here. Nevermind the fact that monsdales were a specific size  :o And I say WERE because I'm suspicious of any monsdales produced since Enrique died. I don't care who's relative rolls  them or where they are rolled, the blend is not even close. Of course there was some variation when he was alive because of leaf availability, but over the years they were surprisingly consistent. I've smoked dozens of the real thing, and still have two of the commemorative boxes, and the 8-10 imitations that I've smoked since were woefully lacking. Sorry about the rant, but it's a pet peeve of mine. And don't get me started on the "BHK Seconds" that an idiot is pedaling here !  :)
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Enrique didn't even roll them for a number of years before he passed.  It was/has been Jorgito rolling them for ages now.  Aside from wrapper issues, they've been fairly consistent in past years (I have 2012, 2014, 2015, and 2016 stock currently).

Monsdale robustos.  No, not quite.  Jorgito is now doing his own "robusto largos" (he does NOT call them "Monsdale robustos"), and his explanation on the blend is that it's the same general recipe / blend of tobaccos (same provenance / farms) as the leaf that he uses in the Monsdales, but with more volado and ligero, and in slightly different proportions (different wrapper too).  So, it's Monsdale tobaccos (ingredients) but a slightly different recipe due to the different proportions inherent in the different size, and he calls them "robusto largos".

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Enrique didn't even roll them for a number of years before he passed.  It was/has been Jorgito rolling them for ages now.  Aside from wrapper issues, they've been fairly consistent in past years (I have 2012, 2014, 2015, and 2016 stock currently).

Monsdale robustos.  No, not quite.  Jorgito is now doing his own "robusto largos" (he does NOT call them "Monsdale robustos"), and his explanation on the blend is that it's the same general recipe / blend of tobaccos (same provenance / farms) as the leaf that he uses in the Monsdales, but with more volado and ligero, and in slightly different proportions (different wrapper too).  So, it's Monsdale tobaccos (ingredients) but a slightly different recipe due to the different proportions inherent in the different size, and he calls them "robusto largos".

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Certainly excellent, but consistent from year to year ? To each there own, I guess.
And "more volado and ligero, in slightly different proportions, and different wrapper" is a different blend, period. Related ? Sure. Same ? No. As you pointed out, impossible with such a significant change in size. But that's all just a matter of taste, and not what I took issue with. The problem I stated was calling ANY pyramid or robusto a MONSDALE. The OP, and my response, were not about what Jorge calls the cigars...it was about what some people post as for sale here.

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Certainly excellent, but consistent from year to year ? To each there own, I guess.
And "more volado and ligero, in slightly different proportions, and different wrapper" is a different blend, period. Related ? Sure. Same ? No. As you pointed out, impossible with such a significant change in size. But that's all just a matter of taste, and not what I took issue with. The problem I stated was calling ANY pyramid or robusto a MONSDALE. The OP, and my response, were not about what Jorge calls the cigars...it was about what some people post as for sale here.
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No, I get ya.  And completely agreed. 

And yeah, sorry - same ingredients/provenance of tobaccos, different blend/proportions.

I myself have no knowledge of people posting / selling "Monsdale robustos" or "Monsdale piramides".  So I'm not one to lay blame.  I was just simply wanting to explain what Jorgito had explained to me and some other FOH guys who got these from him in the past and recently, and how he explained the ingredients.  My way of saying that this explanation could "PERHAPS" give allowances / "reasonable doubt" as to whether or not someone got it confused honestly.  Just trying to play devil's advocate.

Again, I know what you mean - in no way is it a Monsdale. 

Jorgito calls them a "robusto largos", not a "Monsdale robusto".  But it's him himself who states it's "the Monsdale tobaccos in different proportions".

My best relation is this....

Kinda like a chocolate brownie recipe being slightly tweaked in dimensions into a chocolate cake recipe.  No, not the same (not a brownie), and thus the name change, but closely related.  But, I agree with you that it's effed when people try to hand you a slice of pumpkin pie and tell you its a chocolate brownie - no relation.

Regarding the other, "consistent from year to year"...yup.  Have there been some off sticks here and there?  Sure.  What Cuban cigar isn't like that?  But I've had sticks going back to 2006 and 2008 too; they have regularly been quite excellent and quite consistent, for me anyways, and those who have had my stock have agreed fairly well with me (but take that with a grain of salt - people lie bold-faced to me in my profession, LOL!!!).

Who knows - maybe due to who I've had helping me in the past, as it relates to introducing me to Jorgito and his staff, and who have assisted me in communications with him over the months and year, maybe due to that connection, I'm a lucky guy, and Jorgito makes sure the effort and the quality are there when I put in my orders (plus, I make sure to order months in advance too).  I've always tipped him well, and likewise treated him to other goodies (I've found that bringing down some nice NC sticks for him and other Cuban friends are a much-beloved treat, as they can't get ready access to them, but read all about them in CA and other mags, so there's a huge interest there).  And he's generally always had a great memory and been very respectful of me (and likewise) whenever I've popped in there.  So, maybe I just am blessed and lucky to get good stock???  I dunno. 

But for my money, since Hammy left the island, Jorgito's Monsdales at only $5 CUC a stick, are the best damn value out there.  Classy format, great consistent construction, great personalization and presentation, and a delicious blend.  The minor wrapper flaws over the years are miniscule really - for that value, if it smokes great, any cosmetic meh's of the wrappers are moot.

Totally agree on best value on the island for $5/stick...regardless of what's available they have always been top shelf sticks.

There are no more Monsdales. I love Jorgito and he rolls great cigars but they are no longer Monsdales. Monsdales died when Mons left Club Havana and Leo took over. I was the last person that Mons personally rolled for for a while. Mons rolled for me all types of sizes that were extremely consistent in blend and quality. No one had the connections like he did. I can't tell you how many people sent me Monsdales over the years that tasted nothing like the real thing.