Partagas GR Lusitanias - Real or Rebands?

[kenshiro]

[quote author=Jsanzone23 link=topic=30821.msg130873#msg130873 date=1417110825]
Ya but it doesn't help when you smoke one of the items u allege are fake and high priced
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[quote author=kingcohiba link=topic=30821.msg130875#msg130875 date=1417111311]
Yeah, bad idea smoking one while in talks about returning them too.

And I can see why you'd want your money back, they look like shit. These cigars cost as much as they do because they're special! Not because they're run of the mill lusis with an extra band and fancy box.
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Talks were over - he went from 'no refund', to 'refund on my terms so I can claim you swapped them', to 'no refund'. I had to know for sure. Now I know.

[kingcohiba]

I see that now.

There goes that impeccable rep!

Don't fall for the send it to his buddies shit for closer examination. Hopefully he'll just do what's right even though there's a stick missing.

Oh well, happy Thanksgiving all.

[Pole Lock]

Definitely ended poorly on both sides.

[RNaka]

[quote author=kenshiro link=topic=30821.msg130877#msg130877 date=1417111983]
Talks were over - he went from 'no refund', to 'refund on my terms so I can claim you swapped them', to 'no refund'. I had to know for sure. Now I know.
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When you leave TC, (which I assume you will), link to this thread so others can judge who acted in good faith and who did not.

[aes8]

This whole story is a cluster fuck starting with the basis of the claim that they are fake based on GLUE ON THE LABEL :o


Are you fucking kidding me??? based on the glue?  WTF!! 

NOTHING else you presented supports your claim of fakes and Leo provided CC receipt and a copy and paste of the email from OZ so you are basically calling out Rob indirectly.

With all that being said, Leo you should have offered the refunded asap. If you were short money you should have just worked it out with ken in PMs.  You're a good brother but  it seems like you might be stretching yourself a little thin? imho.  I'd still trade with you all day long! ken might be newbie, paranoid retard but he sounds like he has some level of reasonability,  I think.

ken, next time you ask for a refund and are offered it, TAKE IT.

Sorry to beat a dead horse but after being falsly accused in a similar situation that dragged on for 15 pages in the BZ I feel I have some "insight"to add. Pun intended since it was Phil that eventually straightened me out.

Happy thanksgiving to all. Rant off. Be safe

[bpegler]

If I was selling fakes, I would do a better job glueing the bands. Really not that hard.

I'm reasonably confident that the cigars are genuine...

The tone probably poisoned the well for both parties. Too bad.

[investandprosper]

Yep, handled poorly both ways. 

A copied and pasted receipt leaves room for editing.  If it were me, I would have asked for screenshots, and even then, who's to say it's the same box?

Everyone should have been on high alert when this was said:

[quote author=la1994 link=topic=30821.msg130676#msg130676 date=1416945443]
The ISO  post is for custom rolls that I am getting made, and I wanted fancy bands for them. These were not rebanded by me.  I stand by these as genuine, and I purchased  them from Oz. If he is selling fake cigars the entire community has a problem with fake cigars.

Sent by telepathic super powers
-Stogie Boy

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Leo is not new to putting legit bands on cigars that are not. That would have been enough to trip my spider sense.  That, and you have a complete finger/thumb print on the PGR label to compare against...

That said, Cuba is Cuba, but there's a lot going against Leo's argument.

[Fshaw]

I don't think Leo would knowingly sell a fake. I say "think" because it is impossible to ever be 100% sure unless your discussing yourself, but I'll go 99.9% sure he wouldn't do it. If these are fake, then they were sold to him as legit and now it's been found out. Again, if these are from the source specified I would say that chance is exceedingly low to basically non-existent.

However, when selling super high end cigars like this the buyer has the right to expect the cigars to be pristine, and if they're not that should be pointed out. And, Leo, if the buyer raised concerns to you immediately, which he said he did, you should have had them shipped back to you and refunded him when they arrived (subject to a normal inspection of course) no questions asked. If you can't afford to deal in cigars of this caliber then you shouldn't be trafficking in them.

Kenshiro - he offered you a refund eventually and the way this typically goes when offered a refund is that the buyer sends the box back first unless the seller knows/trusts the buyer. You may not like it, but that's the way it is.

[la1994]

[quote author=investandprosper link=topic=30821.msg130885#msg130885 date=1417118999]

Everyone should have been on high alert when this was said:

Leo is not new to putting legit bands on cigars that are not. That would have been enough to trip my spider sense.� That, and you have a complete finger/thumb print on the PGR label to compare against...

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I'm  not sure where you are making this assertion from. I am getting 109 sized cigars  with a por larranaga blend made. I figured that the RE  band would look cool on them. It is just an idea I had. I have never taken bands from one cigar and put them on another. To do that to to create fake PGR and then sell them, putting my reputation  at stake  would be insane. Even if I did do it, or where I bought them from did, I'm smart enough to not do a sloppy job about it, and so are they.


Sent by telepathic super powers
-Stogie Boy

[la1994]

[quote author=Fshaw link=topic=30821.msg130886#msg130886 date=1417119426]
I don't think Leo would knowingly sell a fake. I say "think" because it is impossible to ever be 100% sure unless your discussing yourself, but I'll go 99.9% sure he wouldn't do it. If these are fake, then they were sold to him as legit and now it's been found out. Again, if these are from the source specified I would say that chance is exceedingly low to basically non-existent.

However, when selling super high end cigars like this the buyer has the right to expect the cigars to be pristine, and if they're not that should be pointed out. And, Leo, if the buyer raised concerns to you immediately, which he said he did, you should have had them shipped back to you and refunded him when they arrived (subject to a normal inspection of course) no questions asked. If you can't afford to deal in cigars of this caliber then you shouldn't be trafficking in them.

Kenshiro - he offered you a refund eventually and the way this typically goes when offered a refund is that the buyer sends the box back first unless the seller knows/trusts the buyer. You may not like it, but that's the way it is.
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Thank you, for your opinion of me and I understand where you are coming from on the dealing with high end sticks. I will learn from this experience without a doubt. I offered a refund, but then when he questioned it I retracted my offer, and it will not be offered again.

If this transaction has at negative affect on my trader feedback so be it. But, let it be known that I did not, in anyway, sell fake cigars.

Thank you all, have a good holiday.

Sent by telepathic super powers
-Stogie Boy