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[quote author=Starz26 link=topic=11575.msg61798#msg61798 date=1320809385]
I thought Starbuck sent Mike back the replacement jar AND the broken jar? At least from Mikes story...

So why in the hell does it matter if the jar was authentic....Apparently Starbuck refunded the money without having the jar in hand because he sent it back to Mike???....

This does not make any sense.....Did starbuck make the refund hoping Mike would in turn send him the jar back again????


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After reading the thread, I interpreted things a little differently... Mike sent Starbuck the original jar back (unbroken, for a full refund due to the misunderstand that no cigars were included in the $500 price), this original jar got broken somehow along the way back (supposedly), then after he found out the original jar got broken, Mike sent back a replacement jar from his collection to replace the broken one, even though Starbuck said he would only accept the original jar as replacement.  He started the thread when he was out the $500 bucks, and the replacement jar.

There are alot of loose ends in this story, and I would really like some pictures and further clarification as well, but life will go on if I don't get to see of hear any of that...

[quote author=mcgoospot link=topic=11575.msg61561#msg61561 date=1320451076]
I email him today and he respons telling me to pound salt- he is returning my jar that i bought along with the "broken" one ( for all i know he broke it himself since it was packaged identically as the one he sent me).


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Jason, Starbuk, whatever, you send me that PM telling me to reread the first post and that what I said was not true???

I quoted the part in Mikes FIRST post that you told me to read. Clearly it states that you told him you were going to send both jars back.....

Are you saying that you kept both jars, sent one back, or refunded him the money without any jar in hand cause you trust him to return the unbroken jar?

Bill - Didn't take it that way at all, I was just trying to add some clarifying info.  I agree with you that it would be easy to just break the jar after the fact to take the pics.  That being said, lets see the broken jar :)

[quote author=Knuck42 link=topic=11575.msg61773#msg61773 date=1320799608]
Hey Phil, I'm sorry if I came across as questioning your position, the resolution of this mess, or the process by which the decision is made to either place someone on or keep someone off of the SL.  It just occurred to me as I read the thread that someone capable of not only charging $500 for an empty jar, but posting it in an ambiguously worded F/S thread, would certainly have no problem breaking a jar if that's what they thought it would take to appear as though they are on the up and up.  Having said that 'm certain you're far more savy in such kmatters than am I and I gladly defer to your... well... insight!   :cheers: 
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[quote]Bill - Didn't take it that way at all, I was just trying to add some clarifying info.  I agree with you that it would be easy to just break the jar after the fact to take the pics.  That being said, lets see the broken jar [/quote]
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I wouldn't ship a $500 fragile product in the same flimsy box used to ship tape. 

[quote author=investandprosper link=topic=11575.msg61906#msg61906 date=1320891144]
I wouldn't ship a $500 fragile product in the same flimsy box used to ship tape. 
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Which is why i took 100% responsibility for the broken jar (even though it was shipped back exactly the way i received it in the first place).

Not your fault.  Maybe it's a sign he didn't think the jar was worth $500 to begin with. 

Not sure the reasoning for showing broken jar?  All I know is that if a package showed up like that I would not accept it.  I have had one show up badly damaged from USPS and it had a letter on it from USPS telling me what to do. Hope t was insured.  :(

From my forensic study it is odd that both bottom and top are crushed.  While both can be broken, it is just odd that both ends are crushed, when normally the point of impact normally comes from one side. 

[quote author=plush link=topic=11575.msg61967#msg61967 date=1320972020]
From my forensic study it is odd that both bottom and top are crushed.  While both can be broken, it is just odd that both ends are crushed, when normally the point of impact normally comes from one side. 
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I disagree. It looks like it was stacked and they dropped something very heavy on it. This would compress it on the top and bottom.