I'm a little bit concerned about your Custom GB-Bhk, Papo, Hector, La Corona

[forgop]

[quote author=Trent0341 link=topic=32820.msg140395#msg140395 date=1427065858]
I mentioned to Hutch via PM one time that I had a tremendous amount of respect for him because he said what everyone in the "inner circle" already knew about TL.  The problem was that no one else would say it. [u][b] If it wasn't for Hutch I would still have several thousand in high end fakes sitting in my humidors. [/b][/u]
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This strikes me as odd...

If they aren't still in your humidor, just where are they now if you didn't put them to a fiery death?  :)

I stayed out of TL's sales because it was quite clear to me that even Castro couldn't pull of the volume of diplomat cigars that TL was pushing here. 

[Trent0341]

[quote author=forgop link=topic=32820.msg140421#msg140421 date=1427091252]
This strikes me as odd...

If they aren't still in your humidor, just where are they now if you didn't put them to a fiery death?  :)

I stayed out of TL's sales because it was quite clear to me that even Castro couldn't pull of the volume of diplomat cigars that TL was pushing here.  
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I received a refund from TL for almost everything... from what I understand most people did.  I need actually smoked a single cigar from him.  I still keep a few in a humidor to remind me.  I was new to the online cigar world at the time and even newer to CCs.  All I had to go on was the glowing praise TL was receiving from everyone.  Not a single hint (to someone who was new) that things were wrong.  Hence the appreciation for Hutch... and the lack there of for everyone who knew all along but would rather let newbies be scammed.

And seriously... what do you find "odd"?  

[forgop]

I didn't recall TL providing refunds so that's why it seemed odd they were all apparently gome, that's all.

[mcgoospot]

The TL scam was perfectly planned and abetted by the fact that Cuba had come out with "special cigars" the exact same size as regular cigars.  I know for a fact that TL bought boxes of real Trinidad Robusto Extras and Monte 2's and merely added a band to make them "special" (40th humidor and reservas respectively).  Thus when people smoked the cigars they said: Cuban, definatly tastes like a trinidad or Monte, and convinced themselves they were worth the extra coin becasue they were "special cigars".

I am aware TL gave some refunds in the beginning to keep up the front but then ended up stiffing many. 

[mcgoospot]

What's good? Ahhhh, the '02 SS#2s, '03 Mag46s, '02 RA898s, 97 Hoyo Churchills...  Just love the older stuff.  How about you?

[Johnny-O!]

forgop....here is your answer. Mons Jr does not exist as a roller. He is a fictional character. It has been said that he worked at Laguito for 10 years. I know the dude way back and he never rolled a cigar in his life. In fact he's just a bum and a fuck up in general. Monsdales have been said to be consistent in length ten years ago and today. Once the Mons Jr cigars surfaced, they all seemed to be 1/2 inch shorter. There are some other fictional characters that were created along the way. Fantasy and make believe is good, I love a good story. It really doesn't matter where Dallas gets his cigars. However, when you are creating these glorified personas that don't exist you are showing TL tendencies. Some have referred to his business model as a nickel and dime Ponzi scheme. You decide for yourself. This weekend I went into Club Havana and picked up some Monsdales, all on one days notice. Plenty of cigars to be had, no 6 month waiting period, no bullshit story, no creative embellishment. I can show you the receipts and pics if you would like. I might add I hadn't been in there close to 15 years and knew no one working there. I was in and out in 10 minutes. So if Dallas has a relationship with these people why is it so hard for him to produce the cigars? So there is your answer to vague innuendos and rumors. There is no Mons Jr, and all the other fictional characters created. Buying Monsdales is like buying a pack of gum. Maybe Dallas is just a gullible guy that bought somene's story. Maybe we're all gullible. John

[forgop]

[quote author=Johnny-O! link=topic=32820.msg142050#msg142050 date=1429110813]
forgop....here is your answer. Mons Jr does not exist as a roller. He is a fictional character. It has been said that he worked at Laguito for 10 years. I know the dude way back and he never rolled a cigar in his life. In fact he's just a bum and a fuck up in general. Monsdales have been said to be consistent in length ten years ago and today. Once the Mons Jr cigars surfaced, they all seemed to be 1/2 inch shorter. There are some other fictional characters that were created along the way. Fantasy and make believe is good, I love a good story. It really doesn't matter where Dallas gets his cigars. However, when you are creating these glorified personas that don't exist you are showing TL tendencies. Some have referred to his business model as a nickel and dime Ponzi scheme. You decide for yourself. This weekend I went into Club Havana and picked up some Monsdales, all on one days notice. Plenty of cigars to be had, no 6 month waiting period, no bullshit story, no creative embellishment. I can show you the receipts and pics if you would like. I might add I hadn't been in there close to 15 years and knew no one working there. I was in and out in 10 minutes. So if Dallas has a relationship with these people why is it so hard for him to produce the cigars? So there is your answer to vague innuendos and rumors. There is no Mons Jr, and all the other fictional characters created. Buying Monsdales is like buying a pack of gum. Maybe Dallas is just a gullible guy that bought somene's story. Maybe we're all gullible. John
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John-

To summarize what I posted in response to the other thread, I have nothing to gain.  All I asked for up front was info like this from the beginning rather than the talk that required a decoder ring to determine what the hell you're talking about. 

[Fireant]

I always wanted to try a Monsdale  :'(

[Ninja]

[quote author=Johnny-O! link=topic=32820.msg142050#msg142050 date=1429110813]
forgop....here is your answer. Mons Jr does not exist as a roller. He is a fictional character. It has been said that he worked at Laguito for 10 years. I know the dude way back and he never rolled a cigar in his life. In fact he's just a bum and a fuck up in general.

This weekend I went into Club Havana and picked up some Monsdales, all on one days notice. Plenty of cigars to be had, no 6 month waiting period, no bullshit story, no creative embellishment. I can show you the receipts and pics if you would like. I might add I hadn't been in there close to 15 years and knew no one working there. I was in and out in 10 minutes. So if Dallas has a relationship with these people why is it so hard for him to produce the cigars?
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So this is what all the innuendo is about? Ok, first let's be clear that when you keep writing that he is a fictional character, you admit that he does in fact exist and you know him. I also have a copy of his carne to back that up too. Now, have you noticed that I have not offered anything from Mons jr. since last summer? There is a reason for that.

As I have said before, I met Mons jr at Club Havana when Jorge said he didn't have an order ready. He told me that he was a roller and had worked at Laquito.  I did an initial transaction with him. After I placed another order, but after talking to one my my friends there, he began checking him out. Turns out he was estranged from his dad, has a story that he stole from his dad, and was just a shithead. After my first dealing with him, business dealings became tough, and he started using phrasing like a jinetero, and I have no time for that.  I did not trust him, so I cut business ties with him.

Now if you are asking if I ran a credit check or called El Laguito to get a past employment verification, I did not. To this day, he will still tell you he used to roll. We can visit him together and he will tell you. But I honestly don't care cause he turned out to be a shithead and I do not want to do any business with him. But that does not mean he does not exist, nor that he did not sell me the cigars I asked for.

As for Club Havana, your conclusions, well honestly, are illogical. I am glad that you were able to stop by the shop and get what sounds like a bundle of cigars. Jorge told me at the end of Feb that they should be rolling by the first of April. But just cause you stopped by on that day, when Jorge already told your friend that he had cigars, does in no way discount the emails I have from him saying either that they do not have prima materia or they were working backorders at the moment. Or are you trying to say that Jorge's operation and time at home last year are imaginary too. Or the conversation I had during the Habanos festival with him in front of a witness, where he explains that because of wrapper leaf, he did not have an order for monsdales and had to tell many other people visiting from the festival that there were not monsdales for them too. Or the times that they close the store early. But given that you have not been in the shop for 15 years, then I am sure you are aware of all that.

Also have you noticed that I have not offered up Club Havana sticks on my posts for several months? I have some guys ask, and I do what I can but warn them upfront on the potential issues that has been there over the past year.

[quote author=Johnny-O! link=topic=32820.msg142050#msg142050 date=1429110813]
Buying Monsdales is like buying a pack of gum.
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Dude, this may be the most ignorant thing you have wrote.

And since you are citing examples of sticks that I have not actively offered for several months, I can only assume that you are trying to make a correlation between the sticks you have listed here, like Papo and Miguel from Hector's farm. Last time I was there I spent 2 days at Papo's house. You are welcome to come join me there on your next trip. Miguel is building a new house at the moment, but maybe that was all imagination too.

Bottomline is I have always said that if anyone wants to go with me and see whats up, come on.  I share with people what is going on and share my experiences. And please on your next trip, go with me to Club Havana and we will talk to Jorge face to face about what experiences I have had there over the last year.

[forgop]

And if in doubt, the former island resident has to run and try to get info from Rob.  So much for Johnny being in the know apparently. :popcorn: