Novedosos from Johnny

[RickHendeson]

[quote author=XTR link=topic=47828.msg188954#msg188954 date=1557328811]

JO is selling cigars that he claims come from good stock, but he provides no provenance and makes it clear he will not provide provenance.
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XTR, thanks for speaking the truth.  Johnny-O does not provide provenance.  

The unfortunate situation, though is that JO does not "make clear he will not provide provenance."  Quite the opposite, in fact.  He will wink, nod, imply, insinuate, and do just about everything imaginable to lead consumers to believe his cigars are Cuban puros.

He will not, however, say six simple words:
"All my cigars are Cuban puros."

And heaven help you when you call him out.  He will call you every filthy name in the book, use every juvenile insult he can muster, and just generally comport himself in a totally disreputable manner.  And, of course, there's always the reference to Mysterious Forces working against him -- Mysterious Forces that are too mysterious for the common man to know about or understand, of course.

Again, however, he will not tell you that all his cigars are Cuban puros.

The other unfortunate situation is that there is a large crowd of people who (wittingly or unwittingly) shill for him.  THEY will tell consumers that JOs cigars are Cuban puros.  And you better believe JO will do nothing to correct them.  He goads these (possibly innocent) mouthpieces on, in fact.

As to potential customers who are old hands, that doesn't bother me so much.  They should know better, caveat emptor.  

But I really feel sorry for all the newcomers who are duped by the misdirection and insinuations -- particularly when aided and abetted by people who, nominally, you would hope they would look up to as elders of the tribe.

[Havanaphile]

I think that is a pretty strange question if you've smoked cigars from John. Are you not able to discern?

[RickHendeson]

[quote author=Havanaphile link=topic=47828.msg189021#msg189021 date=1557442917]
I think that is a pretty strange question if you've smoked cigars from John. Are you not able to discern?
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I can't account for what you find strange.  I just deal in facts.

[Havanaphile]

I think your facts might suit your perspective. I have always gotten the information I have asked for from John, privately. There is no doubt about Johns product, of course this is from my conversations with him and the real test, smoking them, there is no doubt according to my palate what they are. Ive never understood how an experienced cigar smoker couldn't tell but whatever. The nay sayers are a minority for sure just like any good product out there has. There aren't too many people on this earth Id feel comfortable sending $1000 but John is definately one of them.

[vinnyvega]

For the record,  I do believe John's cigars are habanos.  I dont think that is up for question....... other than rick Henderson that is.....

[RickHendeson]

[quote author=Havanaphile link=topic=47828.msg189024#msg189024 date=1557444877]
I think your facts might suit your perspective. I have always gotten the information I have asked for from John, privately. There is no doubt about Johns product, of course this is from my conversations with him and the real test, smoking them, there is no doubt according to my palate what they are. Ive never understood how an experienced cigar smoker couldn't tell but whatever. The nay sayers are a minority for sure just like any good product out there has. There aren't too many people on this earth Id feel comfortable sending $1000 but John is definately one of them.
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I see.  So it's only the secret club for which he will say, "All my Cigars are Cuban puros."  Makes sense.  Undoubtedly due to the Mysterious Forces.

[Havanaphile]

What secret club are you referring to? Did you not get the answers you were looking for in a public showcase? I've never had a problem with communication with John but then again I don't lay out the terms that John must abide by in order to satisfy my questions. Anyways, you're not in to them and I'm not trying to convince you smoke what you like don't what you don't. John has been around for a long time and there's one thing we know about this community, sheisters aren't around for long.

[mbflash80]

you guys need to all shut the fuck up because at this rate a bunch of blow job artists are going to go and buy all the goddman novedosos, siglo 6s and everything else I need to buy from John in the next few weeks...

[RickHendeson]

[quote author=mbflash80 link=topic=47828.msg189029#msg189029 date=1557454982]
you guys need to all shut the fuck up because at this rate [glow=red,2,300]a bunch of blow job[/glow] artists are going to go and buy all the goddman novedosos, siglo 6s and everything else [glow=red,2,300]I need[/glow] to buy [glow=red,2,300]from John in the next few weeks...[/glow]
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I see what you did there

[RickHendeson]

[quote author=Havanaphile link=topic=47828.msg189028#msg189028 date=1557452785]
What secret club are you referring to? Did you not get the answers you were looking for in a public showcase? I've never had a problem with communication with John but then again I don't lay out the terms that John must abide by in order to satisfy my questions. Anyways, you're not in to them and I'm not trying to convince you smoke what you like don't what you don't. John has been around for a long time and there's one thing we know about this community, sheisters aren't around for long.
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That's what's great about open forums.  Even if you can't keep up, you still get to post.  God Bless America!