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It means you are proposed for addition to the scumbag list and your trading activity is under review. This would be an excellent spot to provide your side of the story so there can be a thorough and fair evaluation.


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A shame that someone's credibility is destroyed while such an easy solution is clear.


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[quote author=Clynch link=topic=52.msg131472#msg131472 date=1417837242]
A shame that someone's credibility is destroyed while such an easy solution is clear.


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What solution is that? I give a refund for cigars that are no longer complete, and the only argument for them being fake is a sloppy glue job? The value of these has fallen through the floor. No one can guarantee he disnt conpromise them. They are no longer complete, and if he supplied another, the cigars inside would be from two different sources.� No one would buy PGR from someone who has zero selling feedback.� Which is what people are essentially asking me to do.�

Facts:
These cigars were purchased from OZ. I supplied the shipping invoice as well as my CC statement of the purchase.�
I will admit that I said I bought these from an LCDH in the Netherlands, I was in a rush while sending that message to Ken and I made an honest mistake.� I supplied all the pictures that he asked for, and even disclosed the knick in the box.� I did not hide any information.�
I have never sold or traded� fake cigars on this or any other forum. My ISO for bands is for custom rolls that I ordered.
I have never smoked a PGR if I did, it would have shown up on my instagram or I would have done a review on it like I do most HTF sticks.� Me selling rebanded cigars makes no sense.� In addition to that PGR are round whereas 25 count lusi are squareish and the 50 cabs are all different shapes. If I were to be selling rebanded PGR why didn't I do a better job with the glue? The answer is simple, what I sent are not fakes.�

I had, and continue to get perfect trader feedback, except when some new guy shows up and demands a refund without sending the cigars back first. That smelled to high hell.� After this summer I swore that I would never get scammed again, and this is exactly what I felt would be happening. What is to say that he isn' t some guy trying to pull a fast one on me?� In addition, if he were to send the cigars back, and he did compromise them in some way, it would make me look even worse.�

I understand if people are not happy I did not give a refund, that is fair. But, I am not a scumbag,� I do not sell fakes, scam, or screw people over.� My decision was based on trying to protect myself from being scammed again.� Ken bought 15 genuine PGR, and that is what I supplied him with.�

If any one has any further questions for me feel free to ask.�

Just so the facts don't get convoluted in that victimizing dribble from Leo, kenshiro asked for a refund straight away after seeing the bands the way they were.  Leo did not disclose photos of those suspicious bands, and would even later admit that he knew the bands were sloppy.  He advised kenshiro to start the thread to garner a consensus from the community on whether a refund was warranted, intending to rely on his reputation versus a new guy's word.  The community spoke refund, and Leo, who by that time had burned the bridge of trust with his buyer, laid out unreasonable terms for a return and refund (i.e. Leo would be the judge and jury who determined if the sticks were the same as he sent), leaving the door wide open for him to justify to his unethical and unscrupulous character that he should keep the money and the cigars.

I don't know of anyone on this board who would deal with Leo after seeing all of this, so scumbag list or not, he's essentially finished dealing in cigars in any real way.  Judging by his financial situation (no liquidity) and his penchant for making up the truth as he goes, the community is made a better place either way. 

Just my .02. 

[quote author=investandprosper link=topic=52.msg131514#msg131514 date=1417905592]
Just so the facts don't get convoluted in that victimizing dribble from Leo, kenshiro asked for a refund straight away after seeing the bands the way they were.� Leo did not disclose photos of those suspicious bands, and would even later admit that he knew the bands were sloppy.� He advised kenshiro to start the thread to garner a consensus from the community on whether a refund was warranted, intending to rely on his reputation versus a new guy's word.� The community spoke refund, and Leo, who by that time had burned the bridge of trust with his buyer, laid out unreasonable terms for a return and refund (i.e. Leo would be the judge and jury who determined if the sticks were the same as he sent), leaving the door wide open for him to justify to his unethical and unscrupulous character that he should keep the money and the cigars.

I don't know of anyone on this board who would deal with Leo after seeing all of this, so scumbag list or not, he's essentially finished dealing in cigars in any real way.� Judging by his financial situation (no liquidity) and his penchant for making up the truth as he goes, the community is made a better place either way.�

Just my .02.�
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The terms were not unfair. I  would not send a refund without having the cigars in hand and inspecting  them first. That is not unreasonable. It is being careful. It was never my plan to keep both.  I was only trying to protect myself. 

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[quote author=la1994 link=topic=52.msg131516#msg131516 date=1417906837]
The terms were not unfair. I  would not send a refund without having the cigars in hand and inspecting  them first. That is not unreasonable. It is being careful. It was never my plan to keep both.  I was only trying to protect myself.  

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You refused a neutral third party, and a reputable member here, of acting as escrow for the return, so being careful and protecting yourself aren't the reason why you set those terms and subsequently refused the refund.  We all know what that reason is. 

[quote author=investandprosper link=topic=52.msg131517#msg131517 date=1417907250]
You refused a neutral third party, and a reputable member here, of acting as escrow for the return, so being careful and protecting yourself aren't the reason why you set those terms and subsequently refused the refund.� We all know what that reason is.�
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Do tell what that reason is, because I do not know. 

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-Stogie Boy

[quote author=la1994 link=topic=52.msg131518#msg131518 date=1417907319]
Do tell what that reason is, because I do not know. 

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-Stogie Boy


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Because you're broke and don't have $1,300

[quote author=Taps86 link=topic=52.msg131529#msg131529 date=1417910694]

Hey look at what the wind drug in here...
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Sounds like you're backing Leo's play. He must be one of your homeboys

[quote author=RNaka link=topic=52.msg131530#msg131530 date=1417911475]
Sounds like you're backing Leo's play. He must be one of your homeboys
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He's backed Leo since the beginning of this mess, and looks like he still is.  Two peas in a pod.