I guess I shouldn't be shocked, but I am, that the seller of all the fakes has somehow been transformed into a martyr with donations, praises, and character witnesses pouring in for him.
I'm not sure if this seller Denis, got over his head, is just plain ignorant when it comes to Cuban cigars, pricing, packaging, availability, etc, or if he was more involved in this scam that he or others are admitting, but I sure as shit wouldn't be putting him up on my shoulders and giving him a parade.
Fakes were sold, seller was outed, fake source was compromised, damage control has begun...
Fake Behikes
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Pole Lock
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Re: Fake Behikes
One of the oldest cons:
Claim to be a victim while victimizing others. It creates confusion and buys you extra time to establish a cover story or make a getaway while everyone affected tries to piece together what happened.
Claim to be a victim while victimizing others. It creates confusion and buys you extra time to establish a cover story or make a getaway while everyone affected tries to piece together what happened.
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tksamtec
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Re: Fake Behikes
After reading through this thread, and getting an understanding of what went down, I am going to make 1 comment--anyone brokering or acting as a middle man and advertising cuban cigars for sale, better damn well make sure he knows what he is selling and that they are authentic.
I personally would never recommend FB as a sales channel for anything. And, this guy, whoever he is, is a total asshat and so are all of the people protecting him and donating to his cause.
I personally would never recommend FB as a sales channel for anything. And, this guy, whoever he is, is a total asshat and so are all of the people protecting him and donating to his cause.
You can view my trading history here: http://www.onlinehumidor.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2318
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hp123
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Re: Fake Behikes
[quote author=tksamtec link=topic=43446.msg175789#msg175789 date=1511572337]
After reading through this thread, and getting an understanding of what went down, I am going to make 1 comment--anyone brokering or acting as a middle man and advertising cuban cigars for sale, better damn well make sure he knows what he is selling and that they are authentic.
I personally would never recommend FB as a sales channel for anything. And, this guy, whoever he is, is a total asshat and so are all of the people protecting him and donating to his cause.
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^this sums it up
After reading through this thread, and getting an understanding of what went down, I am going to make 1 comment--anyone brokering or acting as a middle man and advertising cuban cigars for sale, better damn well make sure he knows what he is selling and that they are authentic.
I personally would never recommend FB as a sales channel for anything. And, this guy, whoever he is, is a total asshat and so are all of the people protecting him and donating to his cause.
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^this sums it up
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Hafner32
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Re: Fake Behikes
Last time I checked, which was this morning...They were banning guys who didn't come forward soon enough with their suspicions that the cigars were fake because they were gathering info/proof and also banning guys for "thread shitting" on threads yet the guy who actually sold the fakes is still on the site and still getting tons of support and backing from just about everyone...I truly have never seen anything like it.
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sTe
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Re: Fake Behikes
[quote author=Hafner32 link=topic=43446.msg175804#msg175804 date=1511624623]
Last time I checked, which was this morning...They were banning guys who didn't come forward soon enough with their suspicions that the cigars were fake because they were gathering info/proof and also banning guys for "thread shitting" on threads yet the guy who actually sold the fakes is still on the site and still getting tons of support and backing from just about everyone...I truly have never seen anything like it.
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It's absolutely absurd.
BTW, I have AUTHENTIC Luis Vuitton gear I bought at half-price from this guy, right down the street from the actual store... any takers?
Last time I checked, which was this morning...They were banning guys who didn't come forward soon enough with their suspicions that the cigars were fake because they were gathering info/proof and also banning guys for "thread shitting" on threads yet the guy who actually sold the fakes is still on the site and still getting tons of support and backing from just about everyone...I truly have never seen anything like it.
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It's absolutely absurd.
BTW, I have AUTHENTIC Luis Vuitton gear I bought at half-price from this guy, right down the street from the actual store... any takers?
Check out my trader feedback from other sites:
Puff - http://www.puff.com/forums/vb/itrader.php?u=33181
CigarBum - http://www.cigarbum.com/forum/itrader.php?u=88
Puff - http://www.puff.com/forums/vb/itrader.php?u=33181
CigarBum - http://www.cigarbum.com/forum/itrader.php?u=88
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CigarFreak
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Re: Fake Behikes
There is no difference between selling on a forum vs selling on fb. People don't see facebook as a validation - Its simply another means to connect to people. There have been plenty of scams on this forum as well as other forums. I have sold on almost every platform, the platform isn't the issue.
Dennis is in tight with that group, if he weren't, he would have been crucified. From my experiences with him, I doubt Dennis knew what was happening. Its so easy to sell cigars everywhere, people get laxed and let their guard down. The better lesson i think here is just to remember things are always too good to be true like that. Coming across a plethora of a generally hard to find cigar at a good price was the main flag. Also, buying something like that from someone in Miami would have also been a flag to me.
Dennis is in tight with that group, if he weren't, he would have been crucified. From my experiences with him, I doubt Dennis knew what was happening. Its so easy to sell cigars everywhere, people get laxed and let their guard down. The better lesson i think here is just to remember things are always too good to be true like that. Coming across a plethora of a generally hard to find cigar at a good price was the main flag. Also, buying something like that from someone in Miami would have also been a flag to me.
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JL67
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Re: Fake Behikes
Hey I bought some cigars from a well known auction overseas and spent too much on them and smoked them all, it was the damn VAT and "storage fees" that got me, brb setting up a go fund me so you all can help cut my losses!
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tksamtec
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Re: Fake Behikes
[quote author=CigarFreak link=topic=43446.msg175809#msg175809 date=1511638961]
There is no difference between selling on a forum vs selling on fb. People don't see facebook as a validation - Its simply another means to connect to people. There have been plenty of scams on this forum as well as other forums. I have sold on almost every platform, the platform isn't the issue.
Dennis is in tight with that group, if he weren't, he would have been crucified. From my experiences with him, I doubt Dennis knew what was happening. Its so easy to sell cigars everywhere, people get laxed and let their guard down. The better lesson i think here is just to remember things are always too good to be true like that. Coming across a plethora of a generally hard to find cigar at a good price was the main flag. Also, buying something like that from someone in Miami would have also been a flag to me.
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...if that is your stance, you may as well join the asshat club and donate funds to keep your boy Denis, protected. Anyone selling authentic Cuban articles, like cigars or rum, needs to do their due diligence to make sure they're authentic, or refund people's money, no questions asked. He apparently did not or is not doing either.
There is no difference between selling on a forum vs selling on fb. People don't see facebook as a validation - Its simply another means to connect to people. There have been plenty of scams on this forum as well as other forums. I have sold on almost every platform, the platform isn't the issue.
Dennis is in tight with that group, if he weren't, he would have been crucified. From my experiences with him, I doubt Dennis knew what was happening. Its so easy to sell cigars everywhere, people get laxed and let their guard down. The better lesson i think here is just to remember things are always too good to be true like that. Coming across a plethora of a generally hard to find cigar at a good price was the main flag. Also, buying something like that from someone in Miami would have also been a flag to me.
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...if that is your stance, you may as well join the asshat club and donate funds to keep your boy Denis, protected. Anyone selling authentic Cuban articles, like cigars or rum, needs to do their due diligence to make sure they're authentic, or refund people's money, no questions asked. He apparently did not or is not doing either.
You can view my trading history here: http://www.onlinehumidor.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2318
Scumbag List Can Be Viewed Here... http://www.scumbagslist.com/
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aes8
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Re: Fake Behikes
[quote author=RamonBocAllone link=topic=43446.msg175723#msg175723 date=1511378332]
1 of 3 things happened here..
1. He bought them knowing they were fake and wanted to make some money.
2. He bought them, realized they were fake, and sold/raffled them anyway.
3. He bought them, didn't check the boxes, and sold tons of the boxes....
Any of them is bad and what's sad is everyone is saying he is the victim and no one should kick him when he's down. What's also very sad is that people are still vouching for him.
This seller claims to have tons of knowledge and years in the game, which he very well may have....but none of these 3 are acceptable and I would never do business with a person who sold me a fake cigar or bad car on purpose or accident again. This is only my opinion. I am not claiming he did or didn't do anything.
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This pretty much sums it it. Put him on the list in any case
1 of 3 things happened here..
1. He bought them knowing they were fake and wanted to make some money.
2. He bought them, realized they were fake, and sold/raffled them anyway.
3. He bought them, didn't check the boxes, and sold tons of the boxes....
Any of them is bad and what's sad is everyone is saying he is the victim and no one should kick him when he's down. What's also very sad is that people are still vouching for him.
This seller claims to have tons of knowledge and years in the game, which he very well may have....but none of these 3 are acceptable and I would never do business with a person who sold me a fake cigar or bad car on purpose or accident again. This is only my opinion. I am not claiming he did or didn't do anything.
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This pretty much sums it it. Put him on the list in any case