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[Pole Lock]

[quote author=Likuid_ link=topic=39112.msg166607#msg166607 date=1480468556]
Come on man....

If what you say is true.
He committed wire fraud, no matter if a refund was issued, he can be charged with a felony.
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This. Between the PMs, emails, etc and refunded credit card/bank payments, they could pin him with conspiracy at the least quite easily.

[Likuid_]

[quote author=Pole Lock link=topic=39112.msg166639#msg166639 date=1480598514]
This. Between the PMs, emails, etc and refunded credit card/bank payments, they could pin him with conspiracy at the least quite easily.
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This whole thing is a crock of shit.

The buildup, the scam, the 'investigation' and the outcome... It stinks

With the hold out of information combined with the outcome, it makes me thing ccman is in on it. For a guy crusading against a scammer, vowing to take him down, to come to this conclusion in the end. It just doesn't add up right

[H Upmann]

I was made whole by my bank. Who was made whole by Roddy the Douche is what I'd like to know. Anybody?

[Jolly_WhiteGiant]

[quote author=H Upmann link=topic=39112.msg166775#msg166775 date=1481044103]
I was made whole by my bank. Who was made whole by Roddy the Douche is what I'd like to know. Anybody?
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I was. My bank wouldn't help so he refunded me.

[H Upmann]

So, after ripping off 30 or so of us he felt bad enough to help some people out if their banks wouldn't? I'm not doubting you, I'm just trying to figure out exactly what kind of Fuckhole is he. I may have received my money back but he still got paid.

[mastershake72]

Likuid you seem to be talking a lot for a guy who has nothing at stake here, other then the entertainment value of following along in this thread.

I'd call this a groundbreaking and remarkable first for OLH and all in all a success. The folks who got ripped off who wanted to participate with ccman were made whole. Sure, it sucks that this dbag ripped folks off and undoubtedly some people didn't come forward and are just out of that money. Others had to be made whole by their bank or credit card, but at least they didn't end up empty handed. Plenty of other folks were made whole in large part due to ccman's efforts to make sure that the folks that got scammed received what was owed to them, whether that be cash of an equitable amount of cigars.

And after a successful outcome (in that the participants ended up not get completely screwed) you have the audacity to say the guy who organized and worked to make sure that nobody got left empty handed part of the scam? I'd say that makes you the douche of the year buddy. I know someone who was involved in this and all he wanted, like anybody else, was to be made whole. ccmans efforts had a large part in getting that done. From what I understand part of the deal was that if this scamtastic fuckface made folks whole they wouldn't press charges. Can you blame anyone who has been made whole for not wanting to continue a legal battle? They could possibly be opening themselves up to fines or other unappealing legal issues for attempting to be an embargo breaker by purchasing illegal goods. Id say thats a headache and worry everyone that got ripped off would want to avoid if they could. But this is the first time folks were willing to come together and take a risk to make sure the this guy would pay if they weren't made whole. Go back and look through the other scammers here through the years, the large majority of those folks were just SOL, and nothing was ever done. So, in summation, you should STFU Likuid.

[Likuid_]

Say what you will and call me what you want but this reeks like a short term loan scam

Scammer gets money, acquaintance buys time, scammer makes most whole again

If everything was set to file charges and said person was willing to see it through, why not? The fact is the guy DID commit a crime and giving someone a refund doesn't clear you of criminal charges for violating the law. If you steal something, giving it back doesn't indemnify you

I don't get it, probably never will, guess I'm just stirring shit

[ccman]

[quote author=Likuid_ link=topic=39112.msg166792#msg166792 date=1481060494]
Say what you will and call me what you want but this reeks like a short term loan scam

Scammer gets money, acquaintance buys time, scammer makes most whole again

If everything was set to file charges and said person was willing to see it through, why not? The fact is the guy DID commit a crime and giving someone a refund doesn't clear you of criminal charges for violating the law. If you steal something, giving it back doesn't indemnify you

I don't get it, probably never will, guess I'm just stirring shit
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Well, I guess you did make one factual statement......you don't get it!

I will be happy to answer any questions.....but, not from you.

[miamipadronsmoker]

Looks like you did a great job ccman!


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[ccman]

[quote author=H Upmann link=topic=39112.msg166790#msg166790 date=1481055224]
So, after ripping off 30 or so of us he felt bad enough to help some people out if their banks wouldn't? I'm not doubting you, I'm just trying to figure out exactly what kind of Fuckhole is he. I may have received my money back but he still got paid.
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We had him on the run, as others were threatening him with legal action as well.  He did pocket some money, how much I don't know.  Paypal couldn't get money out of his bank account because it was empty, and they refused to refund most of us because we paid via F&F and they lost sellers fees. 

He did respond to most of our emails.  Of course lots of BS.  I believe I was the first to get refunded because I responded to a PM from someone not involved asking the status of my filing charges.  I now know that individual was either Paulie or someone close to him.  I received an email from Paulie within an hour or so saying he was sending me a MO the next day.  Three days later I did receive the MO.  The return address was in one state, it was post marked in another, but the MO was good.  Working together, we were all made whole in one form or another. 

I'm only guessing, but I suspect PayPal went after him, or is still going after him.  They won't share information with you, but when we kept calling them multiple times, and with banks contacting them, it got their attention. 

He is now, and will always be a POS.