Bartolomeo..Continued.

[MiamiE]

What happens, though, when your buddies run out of cash?

[jdawg]

[quote author=Knuck42 link=topic=4255.msg24119#msg24119 date=1273631817]
Let me get this right, we have a high volume seller that's been into Cuban cigars for a nanosecond selling possible fakes of one of the most counterfeitted Cuban cigars to come out of Cuba in the past 5 years, and guys are jumping all over the buyer?  Perfect!  Really, falls right in line with all the douchebaggery I've seen posted lately.

[b]-Fact[/b]  An often used Cuban cigar vendor was caught selling fake Sublimes about a year or so ago.  He used a lame excuse about having them shipped direct from the wholesaler to the customer so he was unable to inspect them.  Eventually, after much drama, the customer was made whole, but most vets will no longer use this source.  As Bart is an admitted neophyte to Cuban cigars the odds of him being able to detect fake Sublimes were he to buy them is marginal at best.     
[b]-Fact:[/b]  I have had one deal with Bart wherein he purchased a box of cigars from me. 
[b]-Fact:[/b]  He was selling the same cigar with the same box code in 5ers for more money then he bought them from me for approx 1 week later.  He said they were from a different box he had bought prior to mine that he got at a higher price. 
[b]-Fact:[/b]  Bart offered no remedy at all to KingCohiba until after this was taken public and KingCohiba threatened to invole other members.  If 3 other members confirmed that these cigars were fake it would certainly ruin Bart's little side business wouldn't it.  Best to spin out a little damage control and offer up a refund right quick!

An ignorant noob profiteer selling fake Sublimes?  Naaah... couldn't be!! 
[/quote]

This was the first intelligent response in the entire thread. I have to admit, I am completely shocked at the comments made here. People sure are quick to attack and call each other names.

We have a buyer in good faith that made a purchase for legit Sublimes, the buyer felt that he did not receive legit Sublimes. The buyer made attempts privately to resolve the issue with the seller. Bart failed to offer kingcohiba any remedy at all. What other options did kingcohiba have besides take this publicly??? Had he not done so, he would not have been offered a refund.

From the start, I have been hesitant about buying from private sellers for this very reason. I have made several great purchases from wonderful sellers, whom I would not hesitate to buy from again! However, I have also received fake cigars from a different seller on this forum.

So, I don't understand why everyone thinks that kingcohiba is so out of line here. He was polite and respectful in his PRIVATE messages with Bart. Bart offered no remedies until this was taken public. Kingcohiba was attacked immediately from the start, and only got defensive when he was called names.

Anybody that has some experience with legit habanos can tell a fake immediately upon smoking. Another point that many are missing is that the cigars were 1/4 " short. As we all know, it is common for ring gauges to vary within a box, but a common sign for fakes is a significant difference in length. A 1/4" is significant.

Nothing pisses me off more than paying good money and receivng fakes!!! So, I guess the moral of the story is be very careful who you buy from, and if you receive fakes, you are on your own!!!! Pretty sad for what I preceive as a great community.

[MiamiE]

Can someone please discreetly clue me in on this vendor caught selling fakes? I use 2 exlusively and hope it wasn't one of those!!!

[Knuck42]

Maybe it's just me, but if I were to sell a box of cigars to another on the boards and they were unhappy for any reason, I would offer a refund immediately.  (This has yet to happen as no one has ever complained, but it is what I would do).  It's the honorable thing to do and it's the etiquette that I was taught by the FOG's when I first came around.  Lots of ht e newer guys seem to approach things differently, but I appreciate the honor in the way the FOG's layed things out.  I do check the trader comments of the guys that I transact with on several boards, (might be a negative comment on one board but not others), and if they pass muster to transact with, then they pass muster to trust a refund to. 

1/4" is one hell of a lot for a cigar to be off, and I would venture to say that there is NO WAY such a cigar could be legitimate.  KingCohiba says he's smoked many of these and fwiw I believe that.  If the guys says they're off, they they probably are, (with the 1/4" thing it's more of a definate IMO).  If I was to be treated the way that Bart treated KingCohiba I would become quite pissed as well, so I think King's anger was justified, (threats of violence are of course not). 

     

[Kingantz]

This right here 

[quote author=Knuck42 link=topic=4255.msg24179#msg24179 date=1273719631]
Maybe it's just me, but [size=10pt][b]if I were to sell a box of cigars to another on the boards and they were unhappy for any reason, I would offer a refund immediately. [/b][/size]  (This has yet to happen as no one has ever complained, but it is what I would do).  [size=10pt][b]It's the honorable thing to do[/b][/size] and it's the etiquette that I was taught by the FOG's when I first came around.  Lots of ht e newer guys seem to approach things differently, but I appreciate the honor in the way the FOG's layed things out.  I do check the trader comments of the guys that I transact with on several boards, (might be a negative comment on one board but not others), and if they pass muster to transact with, then they pass muster to trust a refund to. 

1/4" is one hell of a lot for a cigar to be off, and I would venture to say that there is NO WAY such a cigar could be legitimate.  KingCohiba says he's smoked many of these and fwiw I believe that.  If the guys says they're off, they they probably are, (with the 1/4" thing it's more of a definate IMO).  If I was to be treated the way that Bart treated KingCohiba I would become quite pissed as well, so I think King's anger was justified, (threats of violence are of course not).  [/quote]

[Knuck42]

So, KingCohiba, were you ever made whole on this?  I sure hope so.

[kingcohiba]

Well Knuck, they were delivered on the 17th. I just got around to sending him a message today. Guess I ws waiting on him. Been a very long week for me and have not had much time. No word yet. Will certainly post when I hear something. 

[Knuck42]

Thanks for taking the time to post King, please do keep us posted.

[Bartolomeo]

King and I communicated yesterday

Thanks for your concern Knuck :)

Bart

[Knuck42]

King was up-front and above board enough to post examples of what you call communication.  Until he posts that he has been taken care of and is satisfied, concern will remain ever present by the ethical and upstanding members of this board who are loath to see a class act like King be taken by a crass, bottom-feeding, opportunistic, profiteer such as yourself.