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[quote author=BklynNYCigarLover link=topic=9378.msg52304#msg52304 date=1305560272] Up until recently I made sure I bought every release from Tatuaje and Viaje and I have come to the realization that for the most part they aren't that good.[/quote]

Once we accept to ourselves that cigars are a "hobby" it becomes so very easy to get caught up in the "collecting" aspect of it.

No doubt Pete makes some good smokes. I've tried most of them, but I'm a smoker not a collector.  Take the Anarchy for example.  I got to try a few and it's just a damn fine smoke.  EL, LE, whatever.  Just a good smoke.  I would rather see some of these "special" sticks just turn in to regular line stuff w/o all the "limited".

[quote author=jayro75 link=topic=9378.msg52312#msg52312 date=1305563368]
I've been seriously contemplating this strategy lately as well as I'm sick of all these sub-par LE's these guys keep pumping out. If I miss out on something I can always pick up a 5er or something here at OLH.
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That is a damn fine and simple idea! Wish I thought of it 10-15 years ago!

Pete has said that he's focusing on full-production releases now, and extensions of current lines.  Not that he doesn't still like LEs, but now that there are so many copycats (ehem ... Viaje), it's becoming overkill and some people are finding it annoying.

Though I'd point out that PJ's method of LE releases is a far cry from what Viaje and others are doing.  With those other companies, LEs are a buisness model and a mode of quick cash (as well as hype, of course).  Whereas PJ's point of the LEs (most of the time) is to be a boon for B&Ms.  He wants to support the B&M industry, and so his loyal accounts get a special boost with a small LE release here and there.  It's great for the shops.  Of course it's fun for the brand supporters as well to try a new wrapper on a favorite stick, etc., etc, but he's mostly in it for the shops when it comes to those small batches.

As far as the argument that Tats are out of favor since so many people are selling them here ... I think that's more a statement of their popularity (i.e. those people BOUGHT the cigars) than anything.  After all, there are always tons of Habanos for sale here too, and I don't think many make the same argument there.

I'm glad to hear he is going to put his efforts into standard productions...his limited edition cigars are hit and miss...mostly miss. The Tat Brown, Red, Cojonu, and Reserva stuff is still very tasty to me after a few years...can't say that about most other nc's.

[quote]Pete has said that he's focusing on full-production releases now, and extensions of current lines.  Not that he doesn't still like LEs, but now that there are so many copycats (ehem ... Viaje), it's becoming overkill and some people are finding it annoying.

Though I'd point out that PJ's method of LE releases is a far cry from what Viaje and others are doing.  With those other companies, LEs are a buisness model and a mode of quick cash (as well as hype, of course).  Whereas PJ's point of the LEs (most of the time) is to be a boon for B&Ms.  He wants to support the B&M industry, and so his loyal accounts get a special boost with a small LE release here and there.  It's great for the shops.  Of course it's fun for the brand supporters as well to try a new wrapper on a favorite stick, etc., etc, but he's mostly in it for the shops when it comes to those small batches.

[color=teal][b]As far as the argument that Tats are out of favor since so many people are selling them here ... I think that's more a statement of their popularity (i.e. those people BOUGHT the cigars) than anything.  After all, there are always tons of Habanos for sale here too,[/b][/color] and I don't think many make the same argument there.[/quote]I would beg to differ on this point.  I don't see neaqrly as many Cuban cigars being sold in the TBSC, and I certainly don't see them sitting around price drop after price drop the way I do Pete's stuff. 

[quote author=Knuck42 link=topic=9378.msg52496#msg52496 date=1305685531]
I would beg to differ on this point.  I don't see neaqrly as many Cuban cigars being sold in the TBSC, and I certainly don't see them sitting around price drop after price drop the way I do Pete's stuff.   
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That's true at the moment (though many of those Tats I see are regular production), but in recent months I've not seen it as such.  Not that I'm a thread-watch expert by any means, lol, so I could be wrong.  It seems to me that there have been far fewer CCs posted for trade recently ... since the whole TL debockle.  I've certianly aquired far more CCs here than Tats.

Also, for a stick that actually increases in value (like they occasionally do), that makes people more likely to want to sell them.  I know I don't usually try to sell my cheap sticks, but if something is all the sudden going for $15-$20, one has to ask oneself "This may be a $10 cigar, but is it a $20 cigar?"  And if the answer is "no" for you, why not sell it to someone who asnwers "yes"?

That's why I like Wade's "ask whatever you want" pricing policy. 

That said, I hate gougers who buy LEs just to try to flip them for profit.  That's smacks of deuchebaggery to me.  But that's another topic altogether I think.

Back to the topic at hand ... my original post was meant to say that I like that Pete is focusing on putting out lower-priced cigars to the market.  La Verite aside, his recent and upcoming releases are all well-priced (El Triunfador, Fousto, La Casita Criolla, Series P Sumatra, etc.).

I have no problem with the My Father LEs at $20 a stick, I just won't buy them myself.

[quote]That's true at the moment (though many of those Tats I see are regular production), but in recent months I've not seen it as such.  Not that I'm a thread-watch expert by any means, lol, so I could be wrong.  [color=teal][b]It seems to me that there have been far fewer CCs posted for trade recently ... since the whole TL debockle[/b][/color].  I've certianly aquired far more CCs here than Tats.

Also, for a stick that actually increases in value (like they occasionally do), that makes people more likely to want to sell them.  I know I don't usually try to sell my cheap sticks, but [color=purple][b]if something is all the sudden going for $15-$20, one has to ask oneself "This may be a $10 cigar, but is it a $20 cigar?"  And if the answer is "no" for you, why not sell it to someone who asnwers "yes"?[/b][/color]

That's why I like Wade's "ask whatever you want" pricing policy. 

That said, I hate gougers who buy LEs just to try to flip them for profit.  That's smacks of deuchebaggery to me.  But that's another topic altogether I think.[/quote]

[color=teal]I partly agree with you on this point.  There have been considerably fewer Cuban cigars for sale here in recent times.  But I noticed this change taking place with the large influx of new members that too place long before the TL drama.  Most seemed to bring their Tats with them, along with Cains, Nubs, Gurkahs, and other rockets.[/color]

[color=purple]Well, the "why not" for me is that this is the definition of gouging.  Not saying it's the same as setting up shop here as many sadly, (to me), do, but selling a $10 stick for $20?  Gouging in my book.[/color]

[quote author=Knuck42 link=topic=9378.msg52518#msg52518 date=1305722011]


[color=purple]Well, the "why not" for me is that this is the definition of gouging.  Not saying it's the same as setting up shop here as many sadly, (to me), do, but selling a $10 stick for $20?  Gouging in my book.[/color]
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There's a perception by those who blindly follow Pete like the cigar Pied Piper that his LE's are immediately more valuable than the price they were released at.  So it encourages those of lower moral values to immediately gouge. How many posts have we seen in the TSBC where within days of release guys are asking a ridiculous markup on one of Pete's latest one hit wonder smokes. How long ago was the Barclay Rex cigar released?  6 months at most.  Guys now perceive they can get $20 for a $10 smoke.  Tat fans have these sticks rising in value faster than oil!  The sad thing about this is that these Pete jock hangers who say how much he does for individual B&M's are the same ones running around calling these sticks things like T Rex, Barklay & Rex, etc.  Showing they couldn't give a shit about the B&M Pete is supposedly trying to help out.