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[quote author=Diplomatico link=topic=51927.msg201665#msg201665 date=1614797782]
Same.  I'd much rather pay the fee to ensure some measure of consumer protection on my purchase.  FF option has none of that.
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Even if you pay the fee, I doubt that they would refund a buyer for undelivered or damaged CCs since these are a prohibited product under their policies.

[quote author=Brlesq link=topic=51927.msg201669#msg201669 date=1614803224]
Even if you pay the fee, I doubt that they would refund a buyer for undelivered or damaged CCs since these are a prohibited product under their policies.
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Quite possible...but if I got ripped off and filed a claim against the seller - and PP discovered it was a prohibited product - then I've burned the seller with PP, preventing him from doing same again to others.

I thought I read somewhere that the reason many sellers only accept PPF&F is so that they have some protection as a seller.  I believe, it might have been on Facebook sites a couple years ago, or here, not sure, but guys were buying cigars, paying with PP with the fees and then weeks after they received the cigars, filing a claim with Paypal and issuing a chargeback for a bogus reason.

I think some guys ended up getting screwed out of both the cigars and the payment and some decided that at least with PP F&F, its much harder for a buyer to pull that type of scam.

[quote author=H Upmann link=topic=51927.msg201667#msg201667 date=1614800234]
There are quite a few very honorable people on here that I use FF all the time without hesitation.
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VRAT was honorable til that one transaction. Sellers go bad. I've made at least 60+ stellar transactions with one seller on here but I would never pay F&F.

[quote author=cmitch link=topic=51927.msg201685#msg201685 date=1614884874]
VRAT was honorable til that one transaction. Sellers go bad. I've made at least 60+ stellar transactions with one seller on here but I would never pay F&F.
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VRATs sales told me all I needed to know about him...he was on my do not buy list from day one...if it looks like a rat...it usually is a rat

[quote author=cmitch link=topic=51927.msg201685#msg201685 date=1614884874]
VRAT was honorable til that one transaction. Sellers go bad. I've made at least 60+ stellar transactions with one seller on here but I would never pay F&F.
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V RAT was never honorable. Look at his inflated prices. He had also been on here for a year or 2. I should've said long time honorable people.

Checked PP, F&F still there unless account is originated in (or sending to) another country.

[quote author=cmitch link=topic=51927.msg201685#msg201685 date=1614884874]
VRAT was honorable til that one transaction. Sellers go bad. I've made at least 60+ stellar transactions with one seller on here but I would never pay F&F.
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If a seller specifically states F&F only, why would you agree on a deal with that person and then go against the seller's payment requirements?  I understand why you do it, but as someone mentioned above, some educated sellers require F&F so they don't get ripped off.  Might want to take your own advice and simply move along if a seller asks for F&F only if you aren't okay with it... 

[quote author=AlohaStyle link=topic=51927.msg201697#msg201697 date=1614966876]
If a seller specifically states F&F only, why would you agree on a deal with that person and then go against the seller's payment requirements?  I understand why you do it, but as someone mentioned above, some educated sellers require F&F so they don't get ripped off.  Might want to take your own advice and simply move along if a seller asks for F&F only if you aren't okay with it...  
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Disagree.  IME, sellers usually state F&F because they don't want to pay the fee that PP charges to sellers.  I don't use F&F ever and I have yet to receive a single complaint from a seller when I've sent the asking price (plus 3% to cover the fees) using PP purchase.

Everything is negotiable here.  Just because a seller defaults to F&F doesn't preclude flexibility. 

[quote author=Diplomatico link=topic=51927.msg201698#msg201698 date=1614967979]
Disagree.  IME, sellers usually state F&F because they don't want to pay the fee that PP charges to sellers.  I don't use F&F ever and I have yet to receive a single complaint from a seller when I've sent the asking price (plus 3% to cover the fees) using PP purchase.

Everything is negotiable here.  Just because a seller defaults to F&F doesn't preclude flexibility. 


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As said above, scams happened where buyers received cigars, then filed a claim with PP and got their money back.  Some sellers stopped accepting PP altogether, some required F&F.  Yes of course everything is negotiable here.  But if you agree to a deal when the sellers says F&F then pay Goods covering fees, you didn't negotiate, you went against the deal.