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[quote author=kenshiro link=topic=38740.msg161854#msg161854 date=1467135409]
Always a matter of degree and not kind. Just because there's variation doesn't mean you can look at a robo and a robo extra and say 'Welp, that's Cuba, they're the same cigar.'

5mm+ difference from two cigars ostensibly from the same box from someone who stacks his chips up selling customs is too questionable for me, but hey, YMMV. I just asked a question and got great vengeance and furious anger and Leo chiming in to boot - to me that's more than enough circumstantial evidence. The funny thing is that because I (obviously) love the ED54s, I'd been thinking of making an offer on the box before I spotted the issue.
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So maybe you're just paranoid?

Or maybe you were trying to devalue the box in public so you could swoop in with a low ball offer?

Or maybe were both just bored sitting in our offices?

[quote author=ChefBoyRG54 link=topic=38740.msg161855#msg161855 date=1467135556]
So maybe you're just paranoid?
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Quite possibly. But time in my industry has made me both risk averse and very good at spotting sketchiness.

[quote author=ChefBoyRG54 link=topic=38740.msg161855#msg161855 date=1467135556]
Or maybe you were trying to devalue the box in public so you could swoop in with a low ball offer?
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Nah, his ask was 25% over my normal max for these. No way he was going that low.

[quote author=ChefBoyRG54 link=topic=38740.msg161855#msg161855 date=1467135556]
Or maybe were both just bored sitting in our offices?
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All for the lulz.

[quote author=blaled link=topic=38740.msg161840#msg161840 date=1467124875]
Ahh yes, Mr. Kenshiro..... I almost forgot about your ridiculous antics and entire debacle caused over the alleged glued Parti GR bands.

And no.... They only concern you because you're a worthless POS who needs a job or at least a better hobby than attacking people with perfect reputations.  I have a waiting list going for this box, so no, you are the only one concerned.

And you obviously know nothing about cuban cigars......

But I(unlike yourself) am a productive member of society and have commitments and obligations to fill this morning and will waste no more time with worthless banter such as this.

You sir are the reason the gene pool needs a lifeguard.[/quote]
What's with the personal attacks? Stay on topic, provide the cigar's provenance and other applicable defense. So far, you've given no explanation or any information other than try to defame your accuser. Generally, people only do that if that is the only recourse left.

I'm not going to call blaled's cigars a fake. However, it was that issue that made me look closer at a Partagas Serie P #2 I was bombed from a generous BOTL a few years back. It was nearly 1/4" longer than the real ones I had bought from the Gipper and the band was several shades off along with the wrapper being much darker along with a gnarly roll. All PSP #2's I've received have been of impeccable quality. Maybe I'm too picky? After much examination, I determined said cigar was more than questionable and straightway tossed it.

[quote author=kenshiro link=topic=38740.msg161851#msg161851 date=1467134581]
Hey man, someone wants to go ad hominem on me the easiest way to nullify that is by making it obvious, right? Anyway, I was curious myself so I took a pic of the top layer of a box:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/fifJLbTl.jpg[/img]

With feet aligned, looks like no two sticks are out by more than about 1mm, 2 at the very most. Certainly not 5+. Maybe I'm just super, super lucky, but having a sample size of 13 and having no variation and then seeing a random sample of 2 that far out seems unlikely. Just the quant in me.

I'll send you the [b]other[/b] "12" via PM. I can read between the lines, you saucy bitch ;).
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Do all of the bands have sloppy fingerprints all over them?  Thats the best way to prove they're authentic.

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Is it possible that there is one fucked up stick in 25000 made? I'm sure there is a high possibility. I've had regular production sticks that have been 1/4" shorter than the rest, is it every box, no, but it can happen in my opinion.

[quote author=Jp1979 link=topic=38740.msg161981#msg161981 date=1467351250]
Is it possible that there is one fucked up stick in 25000 made? I'm sure there is a high possibility. I've had regular production sticks that have been 1/4" shorter than the rest, is it every box, no, but it can happen in my opinion.
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No, the high quality of Cuban cigars would never allow this! How dare you just that.  All cigars are exactly the same size and all the packaging including the bands are perfect. No mistakes ever.


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[quote author=forgop link=topic=38740.msg161870#msg161870 date=1467149415]
Do all of the bands have sloppy fingerprints all over them?  Thats the best way to prove they're authentic.

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They work hard to ensure that only the high-end Gran Reservas and REs have fingerprints on them, and then that only Leo gets them to flip on OLH.

[quote author=Pole Lock link=topic=38740.msg162115#msg162115 date=1467660808]
They work hard to ensure that only the high-end Gran Reservas and REs have fingerprints on them, and then that only Leo gets them to flip on OLH.
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Silly boy, the fingerprints are so we can identify the roller in case one is not 100% perfect!


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[quote author=Pole Lock link=topic=38740.msg162115#msg162115 date=1467660808]
They work hard to ensure that only the high-end Gran Reservas and REs have fingerprints on them, and then that only Leo gets them to flip on OLH.
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That's the most troubling thing-I've bought somewhere around 50 boxes in the last 2 years I've seen exactly zero fingerprinted bands in my possession.

Of all the douchebag moves he made, he then tried to point the finger at a vendor. Rob called Leo's claims to be straight up BS and if you're going to claim someone sent fingerprinted bands, stay away from the guy who inspects his stock.

No matter whether he finally made it somewhat right, how he stayed off the scumbag list is beyond me.

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