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It's like beating a dead cow.. But we need boarders! Places in canada the boarder is a road or a drainage ditch. Mexico.. Huh a barb wire fence to an ankle deep creek. A nation without boarders isn't a nation. To hell with the "big company bailouts" spend the billions on a wall. Israel did it. And it works.


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[quote author=TheGipper link=topic=36244.msg154136#msg154136 date=1449869542]
So many myths in what you wrote, but this one really takes the cake.

Through June 2010, the US put $2.05 billion into post-war oil infrastructure improvements in Iraq.  With nothing promised by the Iraqi Ministy of Oil in return.  And nothing received.  Nothing.

The Iraqi Ministry of Oil is selling oil rights to companies to develop oil fields inside Iraq.  Again, the word is "Selling".  The Iraq government doesn't have oil extraction expertise, so they sell the rights to companies that do.  On the open market, what is essentially an auction process.  Again, "auction" means "sold".  Not stolen.

More than half the oil being produced in Iraq is through Chinese companies going to Chinese markets.  Paid for with Chinese money.  Not stolen by the USA to be given to the Chinese.

You might try understanding what this table shows:
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Iraq#2009_Oil_services_contracts]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Iraq#2009_Oil_services_contracts[/url]

The gist of all those numbers is that huge mountains of money are going to the Iraqis from more than a dozen countries.  Foreign companies get a contract from the Iraq government, the companies come in and do all the construction, extraction, transport work.  The Iraqis just sit back and let the money roll in.  And no one begrudges them that.  You should at least acknowledge that.

We didn't steal anything.  Quite the opposite.  The USA was unbelievably generous when it came to Iraqi oil.
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Myths, lol.  :bigup:

Why did we invade Iraq to begin with? They were no WMDs, that was a huge fabricated proven lie. Democracy? Iraq was 10x more stable before we invaded than today. Most of current ISIS emerged from Iraq. The reason is very simple... OIL. Nothing but oil.

We didn't steal Iraqi oil? We did. We invaded Iraq to break it up, privatize its primary natural resource, access it on the cheap and resale it. European and Asian companies jumped on the wagon afterwards.

The US did not invest a penny in Iraq's oil infrastructure. Corporations like Halliburton did and do. If you dig a little, you'll realize that behind every companies involved in Iraq hide top US officials. In the case of Halliburton, it was Cheney.

You're told what you need to know... that we go save the world and bring democracy. I don't expect you to either understand or believe it.

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It's like beating a dead cow.. But we need boarders! Places in canada the boarder is a road or a drainage ditch. Mexico.. Huh a barb wire fence to an ankle deep creek. A nation without boarders isn't a nation. To hell with the "big company bailouts" spend the billions on a wall. Israel did it. And it works.


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If a wall bring reassurance to our people then I am all for it but the problem is far bigger and different than that.

The big companies are bailed out because they're ran by the same people who started the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lyia and the rest of the MidEast.

[quote author=TimO link=topic=36244.msg154142#msg154142 date=1449876110]
The US did not invest a penny in Iraq's oil infrastructure. [/quote]

Factually untrue.  It was indeed direct funding from the US Government via several departments, including DOD, USAID, and DOE (among others).  I've linked the 2007 GAO report below which has some details on this, which you won't bother clicking on, and which you won't read.

I'll stop here, because I've already seen every trick in the book from you Progs how to deflect away from factual, sourced assertions to steer the conversation back to your perceived reality.  And like General Beringer's WOPR, I've concluded the only winning move is not to play.  Happy ranting.

[url=http://www.gao.gov/assets/270/260650.pdf]http://www.gao.gov/assets/270/260650.pdf[/url]

[quote author=TheGipper link=topic=36244.msg154145#msg154145 date=1449878113]
Factually untrue.  It was indeed direct funding from the US Government via several departments, including DOD, USAID, and DOE (among others).  I've linked the 2007 GAO report below which has some details on this, which you won't bother clicking on, and which you won't read.

I'll stop here, because I've already seen every trick in the book from you Progs how to deflect away from factual, sourced assertions to steer the conversation back to your perceived reality.  And like General Beringer's WOPR, I've concluded the only winning move is not to play.  Happy ranting.

[url=http://www.gao.gov/assets/270/260650.pdf]http://www.gao.gov/assets/270/260650.pdf[/url]
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I am not a Prog and I won't let our government dictate me their version of reality. I've seen more than enough for myself to know what was/is and what we're told don't align.

Why do you assume I won't click or read? I clicked and read the GAO report before.

Correct, the US did not invest. When you invest, you get a return. Let me rephrase what I said.. the US did not invest a penny in Iraq's infrastructure to benefit the American people. All of it went to the private sector. Who do you think gave the contracts after the US rebuilt the infrastructure it destroyed? The US did. Not only did we invade a country illegally but we also spent the Americans tax payers' money on privatizing Iraq's oil to get nothing in return. The only thing we got was the loss of American lives and a worsening economy.

My fault to have diverted Wade's topic with Iraq's invasion and others but everything is linked.

Back to topic, do you also label the real cause [Qatari pipeline] of the current war in Syria as a myth?

[quote author=TimO link=topic=36244.msg154094#msg154094 date=1449813479]
Yah Wade, except you got it all wrong.... well done. What you said is what the typical American sheep is brainwashed with. I am a Vet but I am tired of our government's lies... enough is enough.

We want to topple Assad for one reason.... pass the natural gas pipeline from Qatar to Europe through Turkey..... anddddd.... end their dependance on Russian gas. Assad became is bad because we say it. He was elected by his people and he used to protect Christians in Syria so I'm not sure how he's bad.... oh I know.... because he doesn't want to bend over. Putin got in the game to make sure of 2 things.... make sure Europe and Turkey keep buying Russian gas and prevent IS from gathering at its order... like its happening now in Crimea [which BTW belongs to Russia and not Ukraine]. We supposedly kept bombing IS for a year but they kept multiplying...seriously?? Putin kills IS..... how is he bad? Because he got in the way of the west's objective.

Just before the shit hit Syria... we bombed Lybia, took the guns and sent them to "rebels" [people in Syria against Assad].... remember Benghazi?.... IS [funded by our people beheading terrorist Wahhabi Saudi ally] appeared and serves the west's agenda.... is only in certain places, regions, countries and attacks ...on demand certain other people..... the US, Europe, Israel, Turkey and the Saudis are BIG TIME all in bed with IS... it's normal, they're behind it.
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I am with this guy.    Do not overlook pipelines and how they pass through key countries (ukraine, syria) that feed the EU..    The only real currency is the stuff that the earth provides us to make the stuff we want or need.

[quote author=TheGipper link=topic=36244.msg154145#msg154145 date=1449878113]

I'll stop here, because I've already seen every trick in the book from you Progs how to deflect away from factual, sourced assertions to steer the conversation back to your perceived reality.  [size=16pt][b]And like General Beringer's WOPR, I've concluded the only winning move is not to play. [/b][/size] Happy ranting.

[url=http://www.gao.gov/assets/270/260650.pdf]http://www.gao.gov/assets/270/260650.pdf[/url]
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Best movie quote I have seen in quite some time  :clap: :clap: :clap: