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[quote author=mcgoospot link=topic=10618.msg57954#msg57954 date=1313773649]
Problem is that you will never find OR Cubans in sealed boxes. Anyone who buys from a secondary market has to know that the person who purchased the cigars  (as well as almost every vendor out there) has opened the box to inspect it. I cannot imagine buying a box of 10 year old cigars that were in a sealed box. If they arrive moldy what are your options now?  You wanted sealed boxes so you take the risk. As a seller I always check the cigars to insure that they are in good condition

There are plenty of ways to verify a cigars age besides the box. I buy stuff from third persons that I trust. I do not resell stuff that I buy from third persons unless it is intact and I can verify the provenance.

If I only bought sealed boxes of older stuff I wouldn't have any old stuff other than what I bought and aged myself.
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I inspect all of my CCs too, so all of my CC boxes have at least been opened for inspection.  Then again, I rarely sell any of my stuff, and most of what I have in my collection is solely for my own consumption.  I do know of some people who don't even open their CC boxes and leave them completely sealed until they decide to smoke it--so I guess thats a risk they take by not inspecting the cigars upon arrival.

I rarely see people asking for OR CCs, or even ISO posts looking for CCs from a specific year... but I have seen a couple.  When I hear the term OR, I immediately think of some sort of Fuente Anejo or Opus release as the term "OR" seems to follow the limited production Fuente stuff around quite a bit.

I guess the bottom line is whether its an OR CC release or OR NC, you better know and trust your source well.  All of us learned that with the TL debacle.

Brad...If you gave me a cigar and told me it was an OR, I'd certainly sell it to Timmy or Chado...but not Gordo :)

[quote author=Hutch link=topic=10618.msg57991#msg57991 date=1313807824]
Brad...If you gave me a cigar and told me it was an OR, I'd certainly sell it to Timmy or Chado...but not Gordo :)
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LOL

Gee, I wonder why?  LOL

This has been making issues on the NC side as well.  A lot of guys selling "OR" El Triunfador Lanceros, for example.  Sometimes they may in fact be from the Original Release, but usually they are just the original BLEND (i.e. the cabaiguan maduro lancero) as opposed to the new El Triunfador habano.  A couple people have been called to task, and said it was an honest mistake. 

But I agree that we have to be very careful about using the term "OR."  I bought some old Anejos from a guy elsewhere, some were "OR" and some from 2001.  I have no idea if these are really from those years, but they are obviously well-aged and wonderful, so I'm not complaining.  But I'd not resell them claiming "OR" either.

And I agree about the unliklihood of finding unopened OR Cuban boxes.  Though not impossible (I know guys who don't open boxes for years), I'd certianly not want to buy an unopened box of Cubans anyway, as I've had experiences with mold in those circumstances.  And since I'd need to really trust a guy to buy a full box of Cubans, trusting that they were what he claimed ... I seldom do.

[quote author=njstone link=topic=10618.msg58001#msg58001 date=1313817260]
But I agree that we have to be very careful about using the term "OR."  I bought some old Anejos from a guy elsewhere, some were "OR" and some from 2001.  I have no idea if these are really from those years, but they are obviously well-aged and wonderful, so I'm not complaining.  But I'd not resell them claiming "OR" either.[/quote]

I hope you didn't get them from a guy in Kentucky...

Anyway, it's pretty easy to tell OR Añejos from subsequent releases, assuming they haven't been tampered with:

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There's no writing on the cello, and no red ribbon on the feet.

Andrew I have seen them with cello switched and no red ribbon.  Upon closer look found the bands to be VERY new and could see they were switched in cello.  People will try all kinds of BS.

[quote author=Fuente Fan link=topic=10618.msg58017#msg58017 date=1313867797]
Andrew I have seen them with cello switched and no red ribbon.  Upon closer look found the bands to be VERY new and could see they were switched in cello.  People will try all kinds of BS.
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I guess we all have to be very careful of our source when buying somewhat rare Fuente's too.  I really didn't think anyone was doing the "presto chango" on non CCs...but after being here for a few months I have heard of just about everything.

And Brad, I hope you were able to resolve the problems with the questionable Anejos you got...

Didn't get any Todd.  They were someone else's cigars I was looking at.  All of mine have come sealed right out of the shop, even my ORs. ;)

[quote author=Fuente Fan link=topic=10618.msg58017#msg58017 date=1313867797]
Andrew I have seen them with cello switched and no red ribbon.  Upon closer look found the bands to be VERY new and could see they were switched in cello.  People will try all kinds of BS.
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Right.  That's one of the things that was in the thread I linked to earlier.

The guy was even painting the cello yellow lol