The truth is Inconvenient...

[WadeFillingame]

[url=http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/03/an-inconvenient-review-after-10-years-al-gores-film-is-still-alarmingly-inaccurate/#ixzz47h2jBizY][color=blue]An Inconvenient Truth[/color][/url]  :bounce:

[movell]

Ok, go ahead take a deep breath and say it; "Al Gore is a liberal, know it all, arrogant piece of shit of a human being."
No really it'll make you feel better. It's ok, hate the messenger, he did a mediocre job at best.

Now face the reality, his time frame predictions suck but the issues remain.

If you are truly interested in the science of global climate change the Daily Caller may not be the best resource unless you just wish to reinforce your dislike of Gore/liberals. (The Daily Caller is a politically conservative news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C.. It was founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney.). I don't see any basis in science here.

There is plenty of quality scientific literature available. A good start is NOAA. Don't discount science because you dislike/hate one political side or the other.

Globally, our oceans and atmosphere are warming at a significant rate. The polar ice melting is proceeding at a significant rate. Arctic ice has decreased dramatically. Greenland ice pack is decreasing at a significant rate as well. Sea level rise is progressing. You may have noticed the drought in the SW and CA. Ocean ph is dropping (more acidic if you missed that day in chem class), as a function of CO2 concentration, decimating coral reefs globally. The list goes on. This is not opinion, it is observed and measured.

Is this a "natural" cycle? You bet, it started at the end of the last ice age. Is the rate of warming increasing? Yes. Is putting more CO2 into the atmosphere responsible, it appears so according to the vast majority of the scientific community. The greenhouse effect's heat trapping capacity is considered "critical" at 395ppm. We are now bouncing around 400ppm. An important thing to understand is that the process is a long term global climate issue.(Some of you have children and grand children).

Is research to gain meaningful knowledge entertaining? Depends who you are. Is the knowledge valuable for a good working/decision making view of the world? Absolutely.

If you believe we are the land of the over-entertained and under-educated, you can help change that.

Just sayin'.

ps Just for fun start your research by determining how much of the earth's total water is tied up in the poles.
Next, find out how many times in earth's geologic past the continents have been covered with water.

[JeremyU]

It seems pretty apparent that there is something going on with the climate...I don't think it really should matter if it's natural or we caused it/sped it up...In either case, it makes sense to look at what we can do to help improve our planets future...

Common sense tells you that polluting the air is bad, it shouldn't matter what Rush Limbaugh or Al Gore says about it...But the Right will continue to deny science and the Left will continue to blame America and nothing will change..

I'm sure Trillary will fix everything...

[forgop]

[quote author=JeremyU link=topic=38092.msg160051#msg160051 date=1462641784]

Common sense tells you that polluting the air is bad, it shouldn't matter what Rush Limbaugh or Al Gore says about it...[b]But the Right will continue to deny science [/b]and the Left will continue to blame America and nothing will change..


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Should we ignore the science that disputes the environmental wacko claims? 

[JeremyU]

No...But real science should be non-partisan and stands on its own... That's part of the problem..Politics are so agenda driven that they have infiltrated all aspects of our lives...Nobody can tell what's real and what is paid for....Same with the vaccination debate...No way to know who to believe...it's sad..

[Hutch]

[quote author=JeremyU link=topic=38092.msg160068#msg160068 date=1462662067]
No...But real science should be non-partisan and stands on its own... That's part of the problem..Politics are so agenda driven that they have infiltrated all aspects of our lives...Nobody can tell what's real and what is paid for....Same with the vaccination debate...No way to know who to believe...it's sad..
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No problem with that dilemma here. If the government says it, there's an agenda, and if it happens to be true, it's purely coincidental.

[JeremyU]

You're right...And the fact that the Govt is the major source of funding for so much of our scientific community does not help...That and the University's being infiltrated with Progressives.  So again, where does one go for unbiased real information...It's certainly not Fox News or MSNBC, or Infowars, or Huff, you get my point...

[movell]

The standard for science is the research has to be published in a reputable scientific journal and the processes have to be repeatable. If the findings and conclusions of the research cannot be repeated or better data/findings are found the theories, by the nature of the scientific process are self correcting.
At this point there hasn't been evidence that meets the criteria to show the global climate change is not happening.
There are however plenty of "wacko", often conservatively bent, people with personal perspectives that keep them from seeing/or understanding the nature of the processes and their effects.
It's not what a government says, it is what the research wrenches from the physical world. It may be helpful to steer clear of television and opinion based literature if you are searching for meaningful knowledge on a subject. There are plenty of great minds working on significant problems. Just as there is plenty of agenda driven media. Learn to sort it out.

[forgop]

[quote author=JeremyU link=topic=38092.msg160068#msg160068 date=1462662067]
No...But real science should be non-partisan and stands on its own... That's part of the problem..Politics are so agenda driven that they have infiltrated all aspects of our lives...Nobody can tell what's real and what is paid for....Same with the vaccination debate...No way to know who to believe...it's sad..
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It's not. The study will yield the results needed to those funding it.

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[forgop]

[quote author=movell link=topic=38092.msg160075#msg160075 date=1462668905]

At this point there hasn't been evidence that meets the criteria to show the global climate change is not happening.
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And herein lies the rub. Several years ago, it was global warming. When the narrative didn't match the science, we changed it to climate change.

The narrative will always drive fhe science to achieve its expected results. There's too much money at stake to be proven otherwise.

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